Oh so ...whats the point of z390? oO makes me wonder if after this info intel will still lock their 8 cores on it or will allow bios updates for their Z370

It's just in case you would like to throw more $$$ Intel's way.

Why does this not surprise me? Because of course the 8-core Coffee Lake won't be compatible with Z370...

That's just a yellow press. Likely AMD-paid fake news again. Z390 will have new USB and CNVi controllers.

Embra:

It's just in case you would like to throw more $$$ Intel's way.

Speaking of AMD X470?

coth:

Likely AMD-paid fake news again.

This did happened before? do you have any link/source?

asturur:

This did happened before? do you have any link/source?

That comment of his was hilarious.

I highly doubt Intel would be dumb enough to release a new chipset that is required by these 8-core CPUs - it kind of defeats the purpose of using socket 1151. However, I wouldn't be surprised if Z390 boards will be more optimized for the 8-cores (such as having better VRMs). I'm sure with a BIOS update, you could run these 8-cores on lower-end chipsets. Intel has already caused enough complication by breaking backward compatibility with the 300 series, so having a secondary layer of broken compatibility just so they compete with AMD doesn't bode well for them. If these CPUs were to require Z390, Intel might as well have just made the 7820X more affordable and advertise it more. Frankly, the 7820X will probably be better than whatever the 1151 options will be, anyway, and it is likely going to cost about the same.

schmidtbag:

Frankly, the 7820X will probably be better than whatever the 1151 options will be, anyway, and it is likely going to cost about the same.

Actually I wouldn't be so sure about that. The things the 7820X has going for it is more PCIe lanes and quad-channel memory, but being a down-scaled model of a bigger die is not "ideal". The mesh architecture on the SKL-X chips is good for scaling the chip up to more cores and steady performance, but on an 8-core the old ring bus the consumer chips use is probably better for performance - even more so on peak ST performance. Coffee Lake-S also uses 14+++, while SKL-X only used 14++, which could result in better thermal/OC behavior as well, and yield us higher base clocks/built-in turbo bins.

coth:

Likely AMD-paid fake news again.

I hope that's irony.

asturur:

This did happened before? do you have any link/source?

Fake propaganda about GPP.

Octopuss:

I hope that's irony.

Why would it be? It's an upgraded mainstream chipset for 300 series, yet we keep see AMD fanboy trolling about new sockets, rebrands etc.

BigMaMaInHouse:

LGA1151/LGA1151v2, H310/H370/B360/Z370/Z390-OMG!!!!!!!

Again and again. AMD does all the same.

@coth seems to be oblivious to the past and present, claiming things that aren't true as though they are fact, and claiming that x370 to x470, simply two different chipsets with the same compatibility with at current 2 generations of CPUs (yes, the x470 has additional improvements and allows the 2nd generation of ryzen to perform better, but again, does not prevent you from using first generation or 2nd generation on either the 300 or 400 series chipsets) is somehow the same as Intel changing sockets every single year, or, if they don't change sockets, simply disallowing people to use new processors in old boards, or old processors in new boards..... Lots of delusion going on here.

coth:

Why would it be? It's an upgraded mainstream chipset for 300 series, yet we keep see AMD fanboy trolling about new sockets, rebrands etc.

I find it quite ironical that you throw the term "AMD fanboys" around when you're nothing short of Nvidia fanboy yourself. I guess I will start filling the ignore list with mentally unstable people and trolls again.

Aura89:

Intel changing sockets every single year, or, if they don't change sockets

That's just a pure lie. Intel was changing socket every new architecture, same as AMD, with CF-S being an only exception, as socket and chipset was being made to be Ice Lake ready that eventually got delayed. AMD had same exceptions of a new socket in the middle of architectural iteration just recently - Socket FM2+.

Octopuss:

I find it quite ironical that you throw the term "AMD fanboys" around when you're nothing short of Nvidia fanboy yourself.

And I didn't say a word about Nvidia. Looks like for you it's easier to mark and blame people than accept facts. You probably wanted to mark me as Intel fanboy, which, again, would be wrong. I've had a lot of AMD products through my life. And having right now.

coth:

That's just a pure lie.

Hahaha, nah man, what's a lie is quoting only a specific part of the statement i stated as if that is what was stated, here, read that statement you call a lie again, fully through

Aura89:

Intel changing sockets every single year, or, if they don't change sockets, simply disallowing people to use new processors in old boards, or old processors in new boards.....

Try better next time 🙂 But its funny you mention FM2/+, since FM2 CPUs were compatible with the FM2+ socket, something Intel doesn't do. Instead, as i stated in the correctly quoted portion of my statement, Even if intel doesn't change the socket, they purposefully make things incompatible. Here, have an article directly from Intel: https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/support/articles/000025694/processors/intel-core-processors.html

coth:

That's just a pure lie. Intel was changing socket every new architecture, same as AMD, with CF-S being an only exception, as socket and chipset was being made to be Ice Lake ready that eventually got delayed. AMD had same exceptions of a new socket in the middle of architectural iteration just recently - Socket FM2+.

Yeah.. then why does this exist https://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157581 This board can support the am2 version of the athlon 64 circa 2006, all the way up to the vishera FX cpus circa 2012. Clearly the old am2/am2+/am3/am3+ socket did not undergo the same type of intentional software and hardware blocking that intel does (such as blocking coffeelake on z170 and z270 boards).

coth:

Fake propaganda about GPP.

Please explain better, because you left me with no answer. GPP? Gefore partner program? How is related? amd paid fake news means that amd paid someone to spread false new on the z390 chipset. Is this happened already in the past?

asturur:

GPP? Gefore partner program? How is related?

AMD was spreading false information that Nvidia requires to use Gaming word as a brand for Nvidia products.

Aura89:

But its funny you mention FM2/+, since FM2 CPUs were compatible with the FM2+ socket, something Intel doesn't do. Instead, as i stated in the correctly quoted portion of my statement, Even if intel doesn't change the socket, they purposefully make things incompatible.

That was backward compatibility. Absolutely pointless as you still have to buy a new motherboard. There were rare exceptions made by m/b manufacturers. But rare, as straight compatibility wasn't officially supported by AMD. Those were just few motherboards. If you didn't have them, you still had to buy a new board. Difference between 300 and 200/100 series is a new memory controller support and greatly increased power lines capable of higher energy consumption CPUs (like 6 and 8-core). That's a reason why AMD was releasing their incompatible Socket+ versions. Again, noone questions existence of AM4. Why? Why AMD didn't play good to use AM3+? Why releasing TR4 shortly after? Right, there are reasons. Why when it comes to AMD, you are trying to accept that reason, while those reason are same for Intel, you are trying to ignore them and blame Intel for same what AMD does. At least they abandon an idea of Socket FM3 in favor of AM4. That's a good move.

coth:

That was backward compatibility. Absolutely pointless as you still have to buy a new motherboard.

Ah, so we should all only care about what you care about, and if you don't care about something, then everyone else is wrong. Gotcha, i understand your mentality now and will treat your mentality with what it deserves: ignorance. It's nice to show your true colors isn't it? Very freeing, thank you for doing so.

coth:

Again, noone questions existence of AM4. Why? Why AMD didn't play good to use AM3+? Why releasing TR4 shortly after?

Are you really asking these questions? 300 series chipsets from Intel not supporting previous generation Intel CPUs on the same socket and opposite, has no bearing. If you want to decide to believe the lies that Intel spoon feeds you because you're an intel fan, by all means, continue to show your true colors. However, why didn't AMD go with AM3+? How stupid of a question is that. I know you're trying to make a point, but what point? AM3/+, as the name implies ever since AM2, used DDR3 ram, are you trying to say everyone would have been happy if AMD had used AM3/+ with DDR3 for Ryzen? Yeah, fat chance. Or are you trying to say that AM3/+ physical socket could have been used but instead used DDR4? What would be the point in that, it still wouldn't have been compatible, so what is the point you are trying to make? Or, are you trying to make this illogical, nonsensical point that you believe Intels 300 series chipsets and its incompatibilities for your above stated "reasons" are somehow even remotely the same severity of using an entirely new architecture and DDR ram standard? And then there's the part where you're saying why aren't we saying the same thing about AMD, who introduced AM3+ in 2011, are replacing it in 2017, whereas Intel decided to introduce the 1151 in 2015, and release an incompatible in all which ways 1151 in 2018..so, 2.5 years vs 6? So...what's there to compare? I'm not saying that if AMD hadn't stayed more in the game after bulldozer, rather then waiting so long to release something better, that there wouldn't have been something inbetween AM3+ and AM4, but you're the one that gave this comparison, asking why we aren't worried that after 6 years AMD changed socket, yet we're worried that after 2.5 years, intel didn't change socket, didn't change DDR support (since 1151 had DDR3 and DDR4 support from the getgo), and yet decided to screw everyone over by purposefully making them incompatible, claiming what you have claimed above, and expecting everyone like yourself to be fooled by them. Now, lets go onto TR4 "shortly after", as you have stated. Are you really asking why the TR4 was released? Are you saying people would have rathered not have 16+ core processors on the desktop and instead be forced to buy server motherboards and server processors for that? Are you saying that quad channel ram isn't something people have been looking forward to having but not required by the masses? Or are you saying everyone should have been stuck with the much more expensive quad-channel ram setups, much more massive sockets, and all the additional costs that go with it? Or, is it more sinister then that? Are you suggesting that AMD is fooling us all, and that AM4 could have supported not only dual-channel ram, but also quad-channel ram at the same time, and fitted all 4 8-core modules in the AM4 package? ............................. Right..... You're comparing choices of what you want, how many cores you want, dual-channel or quad-channel ram, etc. CHOICES, to Intels schemes of changing sockets with no actual reason, changing the electrical paths with no actual reason, making things incompatible on purpose and forcing you to change your setup......Good job comparing apples to rocks? Yes, i didn't say to oranges, they are both fruit, and that's too close to what you are comparing. Yes, continue to be spoon fed by Intel all you want, continue to believe that these socket changes/electrical signal changes on the same socket that they do that offer no difference in performance and compatibility and doesn't benefit you at all, is somehow to your benefit. The reality is, if intel needs to continue to make socket changes, or change how the socket works, then that's quite sad given their lack of performance boosts over the last 6-7 years. So yes, continue to be spoon fed all you want.