What kind of a joke is that? I remember when Intel didn't recommend running their CPUs outside of their specs and everyone was mental about it. Now you're voiding your warranty if you don't use that crap AMD cooler? Jokes. Meh, it's not like AMD will ever know if I use my own cooler, it's a weird reply from them to say the warranty is void if you use a 3rd party one, yet they won't be able to say anyway. Sometimes it's best not to comment, AMD.

Pmsl! 😀

I had a sketchy 4790k a few months ago. It wouldn't boot past the BIOS on any board but the one it came with and that board only booted with vcore at 1.4v 😱.

So, what about the CPUs without stock coolers? As stupid as this is, it isn't anything to worry about. AMD has no way of enforcing this. Even overclocking (which also voids warranty) is unrealistically difficult to prove on a wide scale, and most retailers tend to accept returns/RMAs regardless of what happened.

metagamer:

Now you're voiding your warranty if you don't use that crap AMD cooler? Jokes.

All of AMD's stock AM4 coolers are actually pretty good, even the low-end models have sufficient coolers. Unless you intend to overclock or want an ultra-silent system, the stock coolers are very much adequate, even for XFR speeds. When it comes to AMD's AM3(+) and FM2(+) heatsinks... yeah, those were outright terrible.

Stock cooler is fine. Just dont OC. Not worth it OC'ing some chips anyway. The 2700x barely OC's 100-200mhz (above turbo clock ) even with the better Corsair LC H110. So most logical thing is to run it at stock clocks, stock cooler and save yourself the trouble of added heat, power and effort just to achieve a measly gain in performance.

Even at stock, with a better cooler you will see load temps 20C lower than with the stock cooler so why run hotter than needed? I would be throwing it in the bin the second it comes out the box.

metagamer:

Thing is, with a better cooler you will see load temps 20C lower than with the stock cooler so why run hotter than needed? I would be throwing it in the bin the second it comes out the box.

Uh... so what if the temps are 20C higher with the stock cooler? It's still within a very healthy temperature, and the stock cooler isn't that loud even when the CPU is under full load... Have you actually seen the box coolers for Ryzens?

schmidtbag:

Uh... so what if the temps are 20C higher with the stock cooler? It's still within a very healthy temperature, and the stock cooler isn't that loud even when the CPU is under full load... Have you actually seen the box coolers for Ryzens?

Well, if you're happy with 65C instead of 45C, that's fine. I would not be happy with that. If it's fine with you, cool, I have of course no issues with that. But for me, it's a no go.

alanm:

Stock cooler is fine. Just dont OC. Not worth it OC'ing some chips anyway. The 2700x barely OC's 100-200mhz (above turbo clock ) even with the better Corsair LC H110. So most logical thing is to run it at stock clocks, stock cooler and save yourself the trouble of added heat, power and effort just to achieve a measly gain in performance.

But where's the fun in that. It has always been one of the most enjoyable things to do witrh a new setup. Seeing what clocks you can get without insane voltage. It's the cheapest way to get a high end CPU.

metagamer:

Well, if you're happy with 65C instead of 45C, that's fine. I would not be happy with that. If it's fine with you, cool, I have of course no issues with that. But for me, it's a no go.

But why? What's the point of running at 45C, if 65C has effectively no practical impact on the lifespan of the CPU? A CPU can even retain stability at 85C (assuming you aren't overclocking). Also from what I've seen, the stock heatsinks rarely get the CPU that hot. Look at benchmarks involving the stock heatsinks of various Ryzen models and you'll find most of the reviewers will say it is satisfactory, which is pretty un-heard of. Again, if you're trying to overclock or reduce noise, then yes, definitely replace the heatsink. But like I said, even the stock heatsinks aren't that noisy.

yeeeman:

Like CPUs are fried every day. I never saw any fried CPU in 10 years and I saw a LOT of them. You can fry it if you overclock it too high or in some very unfortunate combination of faulty motherboard. In general, CPUs have a good reliability.

What?

metagamer:

Well, if you're happy with 65C instead of 45C, that's fine. I would not be happy with that. If it's fine with you, cool, I have of course no issues with that. But for me, it's a no go.

I'm actually interested in your reasoning on wanting 45c over 65c, for example if the stock cooler ran at 65c at the clock speeds you were happy with, and an aftermarket cooler ran at 45c at the same clocks, and lets assume the noise levels were the same, why would you want to spend extra money to run it at 45c over 65c? you get no performance increase, its still producing the same amount of thermal energy so its not like its gonna make your room or case any cooler, and both temperatures are well within the safety region of the CPU's operating temperatures (i mean i honestly dont even think there would be a CPU life expectancy increase between those two thermals as 65c is waaaay outside of the danger zones you typically see reduced component life expectancy with), i honestly see no reason why you would want to spend the extra cash for an aftermarket cooler in that situation. If you want an aftermarket cooler because the stock cooler is incapable of cooling the processor at the clock speeds you want to achieve well then that's fair enough, especially in intels case where stock coolers are often incapable of even sustaining max boost clocks in many cases, or if you wanted to be able to run quieter at the same or better thermals that's reasonable as well, but as far as i know unless you are pushing overclocks, all of the AMD boxed coolers cool the CPU's well inside specification and are fairly quiet and in the case of the 2700x you can even overclock on it as long as you don't go crazy with the voltage. **looks like a bunch of other people basically posted the same thing as i was writing this wall of text lol... i gotta learn to make shorter posts... or type faster**

schmidtbag:

But why? What's the point of running at 45C, if 65C has effectively no practical impact on the lifespan of the CPU? A CPU can even retain stability at 85C (assuming you aren't overclokcing). Also from what I've seen, the stock heatsinks rarely get the CPU that hot. Look at benchmarks involving the stock heatsinks of various Ryzen models and you'll find most of the reviewers will say it is satisfactory, which is pretty un-heard of. Again, if you're trying to overclock or reduce noise, then yes, definitely replace the heatsink. But like I said, even the stock heatsinks aren't that noisy.

I'm a fan of getting the most out of my system. Example, if my gpu is audible or runs over 70C, I'm not happy and I'll try to find a way to reduce the noise and heat. I don't like loud and hot things. In the case of this CPU, there is zero chance I would run it with the stock cooler when a £30 cooler can reduce the temps quite considerably. Plus, I already have a cooler that would allow me to run it even cooler than than and make no audible noise. That's just me. Actually, that's a lot of us on here, I'm sure. If it doesn't bother you, that's fine, of course running it at 65C under load won't do any harm, but it would irk me, personally.

Ridiric:

I'm actually interested in your reasoning on wanting 45c over 65c, for example if the stock cooler ran at 65c at the clock speeds you were happy with, and an aftermarket cooler ran at 45c at the same clocks, and lets assume the noise levels were the same, why would you want to spend extra money to run it at 45c over 65c? you get no performance increase, its still producing the same amount of thermal energy so its not like its gonna make your room or case any cooler, and both temperatures are well within the safety region of the CPU's operating temperatures (i mean i honestly dont even think there would be a CPU life expectancy increase between those two thermals as 65c is waaaay outside of the danger zones you typically see reduced component life expectancy with), i honestly see no reason why you would want to spend the extra cash for an aftermarket cooler in that situation. If you want an aftermarket cooler because the stock cooler is incapable of cooling the processor at the clock speeds you want to achieve well then that's fair enough, especially in intels case where stock coolers are often incapable of even sustaining max boost clocks in many cases, or if you wanted to be able to run quieter at the same or better thermals that's reasonable as well, but as far as i know unless you are pushing overclocks, all of the AMD boxed coolers cool the CPU's well inside specification and are fairly quiet and in the case of the 2700x you can even overclock on it as long as you don't go crazy with the voltage. **looks like a bunch of other people basically posted the same thing as i was writing this wall of text lol... i gotta learn to make shorter posts... or type faster**

See my post above 😉

Maddness:

But where's the fun in that. It has always been one of the most enjoyable things to do witrh a new setup. Seeing what clocks you can get without insane voltage. It's the cheapest way to get a high end CPU.

I would only find fun if the chip is a monster OC'er that rewards you with a hefty performance gain. Fiddling about for hours to eke out every 10mhz just to see a miserable gain is not worth my time or effort. Plus heat/power on chips with little to no headroom can spike dramatically when OC'd making it not worth it in the end.

metagamer:

See my post above 😉

fair enough, though i gotta ask, if the included cooler produced the same audible (or in-audible) noise levels as the aftermarket cooler you were going to use, and the only difference was 65c VS 45c, would you still want to upgrade it? cause there would literally be no gains for doing so, it wouldn't effect processor life, it wouldn't reduce the heat output of your system or effect anything else other than being a smaller number. Just a hypothetical question, though i guess it could be practical as well, cause in some computer cases those AMD included coolers are pretty much silent anyways.

schmidtbag:

So, what about the CPUs without stock coolers? As stupid as this is, it isn't anything to worry about. AMD has no way of enforcing this. Even overclocking (which also voids warranty) is unrealistically difficult to prove on a wide scale, and most retailers tend to accept returns/RMAs regardless of what happened. All of AMD's stock AM4 coolers are actually pretty good, even the low-end models have sufficient coolers. Unless you intend to overclock or want an ultra-silent system, the stock coolers are very much adequate, even for XFR speeds. When it comes to AMD's AM3(+) and FM2(+) heatsinks... yeah, those were outright terrible.

+1 , absolutely this ^ , no need to worry about it , my 1700x came without a cooler so how can they find out exactly wish cooler i used ? See 😉 , exactly the answer is they won't know !

Ridiric:

fair enough, though i gotta ask, if the included cooler produced the same audible (or in-audible) noise levels as the aftermarket cooler you were going to use, and the only difference was 65c VS 45c, would you still want to upgrade it? cause there would literally be no gains for doing so, it wouldn't effect processor life, it wouldn't reduce the heat output of your system or effect anything else other than being a smaller number. Just a hypothetical question, though i guess it could be practical as well, cause in some computer cases those AMD included coolers are pretty much silent anyways.

I do also overclock, just to add. And a good cooler could allow me to push to 1.4v instead of 1.3v and still allow for lower temps and higher clocks. Just to finish explaining why I said what I said.

chispy:

+1 , absolutely this ^ , no need to worry about it , my 1700x came without a cooler so how can they find out exactly wish cooler i used ? See 😉 , exactly the answer is they won't know !

Makes you wonder why they put that in there then, right? Because I don't get it.

metagamer:

Makes you wonder why they put that in there then, right? Because I don't get it.

Maybe because of someone on their legal team told them so. No need to worry about it really 🙂