Xbox Series X / S are the only consoles that use the full capabilities of the AMD RDNA 2 architecture
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Richard Nutman
You're right it was. They both were, just for different reasons. Crazy GPU in PS2, then crazy CPU in PS3.
PS4 was a doddle to program in comparison. It was the last console I worked on before leaving games.
Fender178
It is quite simple that the PS2 is a lot easier to make games for than the PS3 was. Ask any game developer whose PS3 port wasn't the greatest vs the 360.
Richard Nutman
I'm not sure you can make that claim by comparing 360 ports to PS3. They were both difficult to develop for compared to modern consoles.
EspHack
well the xboxes are just weird w10 pc' at this point, so AMD can either make their stuff targeting a major console AND the pc industry vs ONE sony console, guess what would happen...
fry178
@Druid Druid
funny that millions have no problems, that included me using it for about 6-8h almost every day during summer month,
and at least 1-2 days per week for +6h to play/demo games and/or VR on a (85in) Sony 4K tv.
and no, it wasnt minecraft at 720p (no offense folks).
any units i saw with temp issues were either having problems with room temp/blocked air flow or a broken fan/fan controller,
the latter being repaired by Sony under warranty (i actually received a brand new and newer unit when i had it one a PS3).
@H83
and is still getting "outsold" by PS5, like they did since the first PS came out.
Having "2fps" more isnt always the first thing ppl look at when buying a console, nor have i seen "day and night" difference in IQ between both units.
Fender178
Oh yeah by modern console development standards you are correct.
nicugoalkeper
Where is the proof of this.
I see many saying this but no proof.
MS is not saying they have the most powerful console. So how do you know?
We don't know the exact details of PS5 and Xbox designs then how do we know if one is better.
No new game coming on the 2 consoles is playing at better rezolution or fps. So give me proof (and don't say TFLOPS only on diferent custom GPU).
itpro
WTF trolling is this. Microsoft is saying XSX is the most powerful console even before release not only now. Are you onto drugs or something?
Ne1l
PS3?!?... and the fact Sony waited till the last minute before admitting defeat with developing their own 'SLI' solution and asked Nvidia for a 'Frankenstein' last-minute bolt-on solution?
*I remember naively thinking back then that a 'cell processor' in my console and in my TV and in my Video recorder would magically work together and I'd end up with utopia (... and yes I bought into the 3DO and M2 upgrade idea too)
"The intention was to use two of these in the PS3, one as CPU and one as GPU. However at the last minute Sony realised that the Cell GPU wasn’t up to the job so they went to nVidia and bought their 7800GTX GPU. This gave them a number of disadvantages:
It wasn’t designed or optimised as a console GPU. It was designed and optimised as a PC GPU.
The whole architecture of the console was compromised by the last minute change.
The 7800GTX has less raw processing power than the Microsoft Xbox 360 GPU."
Ne1l
You think MS are stupid enough to highlight and claim "full capabilities of RDNA 2" without a reason for that to be anything but a superior 'one-up' comment that they can't prove.
* erm.. MS is not saying they have the most powerful console, I think you'll find they are.. https://twitter.com/Xbox/status/1270809430091677696
** also comments from a developer about Xbox Series X version will run at higher fps;
"I announce my Xbox exclusive is going multiplatform - Not a single Xbox "fanboy" complains
I announce that the XBSX version will be the only version that's 120 fps: Multiple Playstation fanboys troll the post
Believe it or not, I didn't design the PS5. Your beef is with Sony
— Dynamic Voltage Games (@dynamic_voltage) July 20, 2020"
nicugoalkeper
First thing i said give me proof:
1. You just posted a Twitter post, really, did you think that if that was real they did not advertise it, where are the videos where the promote the most powerful console.
4 months have pass how can they miss such a chance.... On Twitter you can post what you want...
Do you believe MS will slip such a oportunity to promote? I think not.
2. Dirt 5 and Watch Dogs are runing at same rezolution and fps.
3. And there are talks about the new Geometry Engine from PS5, it seems it will come to RDNA 3 or even later ones, so then this it means is better PS 5 (I don't know do you??).
Once again I say we don't know yet if the king is Xbox s X or if PS 5 is we need to wait and see.
So please don't trie to prove what you can't.
I have Xbox and Ps from the beginning and don't care if one ore another wins.
But to say any hardware is more powerful that another if you don't know them is blasfemie. Still we are on Guru3d here...
Fender178
Or you can listen to what game developers say because they know how their game is supposed to run on said hardware. https://www.onmsft.com/news/xbox-series-s-versions-of-pubg-and-devil-may-cry-5-will-lack-some-important-series-x-enhancements They have the dev kits and the actual console hardware for Pete sakes.
nicugoalkeper
What you posted has nothing to do whit Ps5 is XSX vs XSS.
On PS5 those games go at the same rezolution and fps like on XSX.
I did not say that XSX is not RDNA 2 but once again no one can claim with console is the most powerfull at the moment if they don't have the desing of XSX and PS5.
Fender178
Um Yeah it does because if the games are multi-port games performance wise it may be superior on the Series X vs the PS5. Also what you posted earlier saying that we don't know which console is more powerful than the other when we do. If you look at RE8 the developers said that they were having issues getting the game running at 4K on the PS5 vs the Series X yeah I know it is only one game but still. Also your previous post is nonsense to begin with because you ask for proof on which console is the more powerful console no one knows the answer to that question than video game developers because they know the hardware very well.
nicugoalkeper
Still if R8 uses a new engine it may be that the problem is there, because Xbox is more close to a Pc and DirectX is from Microsoft so yea Xbox games are more easy to develop for someone that does not need to learn new things, but on PS 5 devs need to learn how to fully utilize the console. And devs tend to go one way or another.
To me this subject is closed, we need facts. Not to mention that Ms and Sony will likely want to buy other game studios so yea we don't know if not some devs will want to help a deal...
I will say this again show me real proof, until then it seems that Xbox is the better, but it only seems, we will so (no point to prolong the subject).
Cave Waverider
Nothing new, really. Sony has always said PS5's GPU is based on RDNA with custom enhancements, not RDNA2.
And Microsoft has always said their Xbox Series GPUs will be based on RDNA2.
Loobyluggs
Can the PS5 run ALL games (minus ten) that the PS4 can run? YES
Can games be developed using DX12U, and then use w/e runtime? YES
Can PS4 owners connect their PS5 to their PS4 wirelessly/LAN/USB, and get ALL of their profile and achievements (which could go back to PS3!) and their entire back catalogue from the PS4? YES
This is more BS from MS and a very weak attempt @ trying to bifurcate the discussion when, ALL PS5 CONSOLES HAVE BEEN SOLD.
Nothing more needs to be said - they've sold their entire inventory!
I'm through of standing in lines for clubs I'll never get in, it's like bottom of the ninth and I'm never gonna win...
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Loobyluggs
Then, why doesn't MS shut its mouth instead of trying/attempting to get in the club? (rhetorical)
It just ****es me off when big companies tell everyone to look in a particular direction, rather than look at where the action is.
fry178
its so funny how many claim stuff will run "native" on the XB, when thats up to the devs (or company behind it), "can" does NOT equal "will".
(e.g. old XB so much faster, that NFS Rivals was running at 30fps)
completely ignoring the fact that most (that will only buy either or), are probably not even running a 120Hz UHD tv (incl 4K@120Hz inputs) to actually make use of the XB possible higher output (perf)
outside the fact that the new tv stuff is coming with things like VRR, as well as input-lag reduction, more or less eliminating the need for high refresh rates.
if i can play PS5 (and any of the ppl i talked to) with lower lag at 60fps (and other things like VRR on the tv), i prefer that over any 120Hz tv that doesnt (VRR/input lag).
not even talking about the fact that since the first PS came out, its outselling the XB consoles up to 4:1 ratio,
even when the XB was "faster".
itpro
Ps5 is rdna3. XsX is rdna2. 😀:D:D
