At the moment I don't want or need an 8K TV but I really don't care about this moment, I care about trajectory. I care that we might see a future where we choice and ownership in general could go away.

anthos:

The hell does the UN have to do with any of this? Or are we just listing random things we personally dislike?

Probably nothing, but I just wanted to point out referring to the UN doesn't mean anything. That being said, politicians flying to the UN meetings and the large UN building itself would be consuming energy that could be better used elsewhere.

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Espionage724:

Bill Gates never said that. It's just an internet myth.

Government's view of the economy could be summed up in a few short phrases: If it moves, tax it. If it keeps moving, regulate it. And if it stops moving, subsidize it.

And at the same time they push for electrical vehicles, this is f***ing stupid

Picolete:

And at the same time they push for electrical vehicles, this is f***ing stupid

by god i found it i found the dumbest comment on the internet

fry178:

Anyone stating there is no need for 8K surely doesnt know what they are talking about, same for content. its related to screen size and distance, and running anything above 70in at less than 10ft you will be able to tell the difference. and content gets up-scaled, the same way it was for 4k tvs before 4K content became (more) available.

What "content" do you expect in 8K any time? Because I can tell you now, there will never be any movies released in true 8K resolution. Hollywood did the research long time ago and came to the conclusion that there is barely any need for 4K resolution even. I have seen the tests done with various professional cine cameras and lenses myself and when viewed it was almost impossible to tell what lens/resolution was displayed, and whether it was a 2K digital intermediate or a "true" 4K digital intermediate. They even did test where in professional mastering software they zoomed in and marked 4 pixels on a 4K resolution image frame a bright colour, then zoomed out to full zoom... you could NOT see the four pixels - and the four pixels together is equivalent to a 1080P pixel size. This is why Hollywood concluded 2K DI and 4K "upscaling" was good enough. Also hear professionals in AV/ industry with high-end projectors and 10 foot scope screens say they can't really notice the 4K panel resolution (over 1080P) at that size. It is only the HDR and wide colour gamut that they can see difference with. For digitally created content such as games it might be different, but definitely not with IRL content shot with real cine-cameras and lenses.

tty8k:

Current TV models can easily achieve that by reducing the contrast ratio a bit on dynamic/HDR mode. I was never a fan of those eye blasting modes anyway. I don't think it's a big issue. A 43inch LG 4k HDR is specced for : Power Consumption 49.4W

We watch TV with pretty low backlight but enjoy BD movies with HDR at high backlight, a fair compromise. It auto switches so theres no forgetting. This brings my TV (Samsung Q9FN) down to 100W ish normal use and 190W HDR. Contrast is on max for both. Changing backlight level counts most (on an LED backlit) to keep image quality up and energy cost down. I'd like a very large TV but considerably higher power use put an end to that.

Picolete:

And at the same time they push for electrical vehicles, this is f***ing stupid

It would be logical, if we had a grid with mostly clean energy. But most countries in the EU are still using fossil fuels to make electricity, like gas, oil and coal. So electric cars end up the same as an internal combustion car. Putting The Cart in Front of the Donkey....

it would work if the battery part, creation and recycle, wasn't actually more CO2 and other shit emitting than entire gasoline cars lifetime... but that's another story. on private side, most of energy consume is done by bad-insulated houses and buildings. The issue is, the biggest part isn't private side but industry and agriculture.

I don't really see the problem with this. We're still barely able to make 4K content widely available. When it comes to 4K video, most people either don't have internet that is fast enough to stream 4K content [that is actually worth watching and not horribly compressed], or, they don't have a system that can play back the video in an efficient way, if at all. When it comes to games, most either don't scale up well or require a system way too expensive for the average person to afford/justify. Bear in mind that 4K displays are pretty cheap, so, a lot of people are getting them now. Even if you're wealthy enough to get an 8K display and can provide content for it, there just isn't a lot of content for it. So... why does this even matter? By the time 8K videos are more plentiful and GPUs can render games in 8K without requiring your own backyard power plant, the technology to drive these displays will become efficient enough to meet the EU's standards.

Dragam1337:

There is absolutely a need for 8k screens, especially for gaming !

"Need" is way too strong of a word. 8K is just simply nice to have. For most people sitting at an appropriate distance relative to their display size, 4K is usually sufficiently detailed. There are definitely moments where I notice some aliasing or lack of detail in my 4K display but even in those situations, sometimes even 8K wouldn't be enough.

pegasus1:

The EU banning higher power TVs will make zero difference to energy use globally.

The EU is a huge and powerful market. It's not cost effective for companies to release many different versions of products just to comply with a single government, so you often see products that are built to be a one-size-fits-all. This has been a real burden on the automotive industry, where you either see brands dropping out of certain countries or they check all the boxes for all countries and become stupidly expensive.

Picolete:

And at the same time they push for electrical vehicles, this is f***ing stupid

Well, it kinda makes sense. The EU's grid is going to take quite a hit with all the EVs. Doing everything they can to reduce load from everyday devices makes a big difference collectively. Saving a few watts per device wouldn't save much on your electric bill but when you account for everyone doing the same thing simultaneously, that can be the difference between not encountering a brownout, or at least give more time to deal with it before it happens. Europeans don't tend to drive that much (at least relative to North Americans), and a lot of the EVs for the European market have relatively small batteries as a result of this. EVs charged by fossil fuels are still overall more efficient than cars with ICEs, so, Europe's overall dependence on oil drops by pushing for EVs. EDIT: Also worth pointing out that modern batteries are crap. I do not recommend EVs to anyone with the batteries we have today. But, solid state batteries are looking very promising and they're coming out soon.

Now please regulate CPU and GPU power consumption to more reasonable levels so I don't have to own a nuclear power plant by 2030. To be fair, my 32'' TV is just 720p and most content is just 1080p. I see absolutely no need for mass production of 8K displays. Except if you have a massive living room or a bar and want a 80'' TV 8K is useless, plus most content isn't even 4K ready so playing 1080p on an 8K TV is just dumb.

Most AV enthusiasts aren't gonna be happy having to buy downgraded 8K TV with full-potential asking price instead of the finest one just because of watts requirement. I'm really looking forward to 2023-2024 8K TV industry with panels coming from SD, LGD, TCL-JOLED, BOE, CSOT which are all 8K and OLED variations. Any Self-Emissive/Self-Emitting/Self-Lit display technology would make a spectacular gaming monitor instead of shitty Mini-LED, IPS, VA, TN LCDs we've been receiving non-stop by manufacturers even in the fourth quarter of 2022.

Ok. EU, please, now do the same to private jets and luxury yachts.

time for companies to get with program and start making energy effecticant thing , istead of just throw more wattage at stuff cause it easier??! Then again we also need to put end to all power production that comes from fossil fuel or anything that dump massive amounts of co2 in air for that matter

Pryme:

Ok. EU, please, now do the same to private jets and luxury yachts.

cop26 emitted around 102,500 tonnes of CO2 equivalent (CO2e) https://i.guim.co.uk/img/media/9772274127cc75fed9c823d5dd55c84001daa3a9/977_0_2379_1428/master/2379.jpg?width=1200&quality=85&auto=format&fit=max&s=eea25f5d06c909c247fe7dc17a718945 Bill Gates’ luxury yacht “Lana” https://pagesix.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/3/2021/11/bill-gates-70.jpg?quality=75&strip=all&w=1280 But hey, you better turn off the TV to save the planet.

nicugoalkeper:

I know some may hate me bu i think that TV as well as GPU producers need to start producing lower energy products. At least at TV's at the moment 4K is more that enough. So 4K and lover consumption whit better picture quality should be the focus. 8K maybe in 10 years at the rate 4K is being adopted. Let's be clear, we still lack 4K content... This is what i think so don't kill me

I think the majority here probably agrees with you. If it's not for the power consumption, then think of the heat output. When I see the temps on new CPU's with Triple AIO coolers I'm like "what?!".

Airbud:

cop26 emitted around 102,500 tonnes of CO2 equivalent (CO2e) https://i.guim.co.uk/img/media/9772274127cc75fed9c823d5dd55c84001daa3a9/977_0_2379_1428/master/2379.jpg?width=1200&quality=85&auto=format&fit=max&s=eea25f5d06c909c247fe7dc17a718945 Bill Gates’ luxury yacht “Lana” https://pagesix.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/3/2021/11/bill-gates-70.jpg?quality=75&strip=all&w=1280 But hey, you better turn off the TV to save the planet.

that probably would save our minds.

Jenson: "GPU go bbbbbbrrrrrrrrrr"