You have to laugh, they cant afford cheese to go with their Chardonnay. Whoever buys these need a head check.

nicugoalkeper:

For the rest is just like throwing away the money in the fire in a cold winter in the wild, you get something: the heat, but not the room at the hotel.

Why? There are users that log hundreds to thousands of hours in this game. They could have potentially payed only $40. I paid only $40 and I have over 100 hours played. Don't care much for the direction it's going but I got my money worth out of it. I've paid $60 for games I've played far less.

Mufflore:

Whoever buys these need a head check.

Or maybe they are just wealthy and want to invest in the game? Like @XenthorX posts here a lot - judging by his specs he clearly has money and he invests into the game. What's wrong with that? Hes probably played thousands of hours. What's another $40-50? What's the big deal?

In my opinion another cash grab 😕 , people need to wake up step back and use their brains to see the whole picture on this ponzi scheme game , wake up people this kind of never ending false promises always asking for more money without a release date cannot be good for the gaming community. Ever since i saw this so called company selling a ship for $27,000 US Dollars ( real money for vaporware of only zeros and ones 010011010 ) i knew something was wrong , this is not normal behavior and unacceptable. Still in Alpha state , release date for the game ???

Denial:

Why? There are users that log hundreds to thousands of hours in this game. They could have potentially payed only $40. I paid only $40 and I have over 100 hours played. Don't care much for the direction it's going but I got my money worth out of it. I've paid $60 for games I've played far less. Or maybe they are just wealthy and want to invest in the game? Like @XenthorX posts here a lot - judging by his specs he clearly has money and he invests into the game. What's wrong with that? Hes probably played thousands of hours. What's another $40-50? What's the big deal?

If you unblock me - you would know. There is no value in the items being offered, because you cannot lose them or, sell them to other players for RL cash. Giving CR money is not investment. It's just giving CR money. That's all.

If people enjoy funding this game, it's difficult to see why I should object to what they do with their own money. Talk about "scams"--take a look at some of the utterly ridiculous stuff being Kickstarted these days--or, rather, what they are attempting to kickstart. Some of the "Projects we love" I see in their emails are so stupid, such obvious cons, it's unbelievable, imo! One thing must be considered and that is that if Roberts walks away from this game unfinished--or in a really buggy, unplayable state--then he can kiss his $4.4M digs goodbye, and wherever he's stashed assets purchased with money from SC--they're gone, as well. He will be sued forever--and he will never work in the industry again. Stick a fork in him, etc. All in all I think Roberts has some very powerful incentive to finish this game! Whether or not the game will meet expectations for it--after eight years of development and a movie production budget to match--is another question. If I was Roberts I'd be giving some attention to announcing release dates that go beyond just his "timeline", because those can be changed at will and everyone knows it. I still, after all this time, have absolutely no clue what this game is. I'm scared that the reason I don't know what the game is, is because Roberts himself doesn't yet know....! Really--Roberts needs to get off it and *formally announce* a release date! Extra ships and all that rot they can add after the game hits 1.0 and ships! He'd better start managing expectations right now, and doing a bit better than the often inscrutable "timeline"--which seems to me deliberately obtuse.

Loobyluggs:

If you unblock me - you would know. There is no value in the items being offered, because you cannot lose them or, sell them to other players for RL cash. Giving CR money is not investment. It's just giving CR money. That's all.

I selectively read some of your posts lol - I guess technically it's a donation rather then an investment but the return is essentially the game.. if it gets completed. Look I'm not going to recommend or even support people that spend thousands on the game (those that are should know what they are getting into), but for people that have logged over 250+hours.. I can see them buying little things for $40-60 and I don't really see the issue with it. I compare it to Avengers Endgame, which I saw the the other day and it was ~$16 - for 3 hours of entertainment, that's like $5 an hour. In Star Citizen I'm under 50 cents an hour. If I dropped another $40 on the game I don't feel like I'd be wasting it anymore than I did to see the movie.

Denial:

I selectively read some of your posts lol - I guess technically it's a donation rather then an investment but the return is essentially the game.. if it gets completed. Look I'm not going to recommend or even support people that spend thousands on the game (those that are should know what they are getting into), but for people that have logged over 250+hours.. I can see them buying little things for $40-60 and I don't really see the issue with it. I compare it to Avengers Endgame, which I saw the the other day and it was ~$16 - for 3 hours of entertainment, that's like $5 an hour. In Star Citizen I'm under 50 cents an hour. If I dropped another $40 on the game I don't feel like I'd be wasting it any more than I did to see the movie.

I disagree with arguing by analogy. Full stop. It is fallacious. You actually made your subjective point without using a fallacy - you see it as time investment. OK. I get it, but...if the virtual item cannot be 'lost', then it has no value.

Full disclaimer, I do not personally own the game, though I know a few who kickstarted early and still play. None of them were ever hardcore supporters (spending huge amounts on ships) but even a year ago they would have rushed into an argument to defend their purchases, the timeline for completion, or Roberts / devs. Again, just my observations from the outside looking in, but there seems to be growing skepticism from that group as to whether this game will ever get a full release or not.

Loobyluggs:

... I want to role-play as a space pirate and:- permanently deprive other players of their possessions. permanently deprive other players of their ships. make players 'walk the plank' (airlock-death), killing off their characters, permanently. make players band together to try and take me out, aggressively. hold entire solar systems to ransom. manipulate players to their own demise. ...

Agreed, this would be a game worth paying for.

Mooooooooooooooooooo. < The cash cow has spoken.

Denial:

Or maybe they are just wealthy and want to invest in the game? Like @XenthorX posts here a lot - judging by his specs he clearly has money and he invests into the game. What's wrong with that? Hes probably played thousands of hours. What's another $40-50? What's the big deal?

The writing has been on the wall for so long, anyone would be stupid to put more into this.

Hilbert Hagedoorn:

I am getting more and more fascinated by Star Citizen's money earning tactics of this developer..The progress made by the development of the mammoth project, has now seen more than $225 million..

Actually, the games have currently let them gather ~$300M, as some funding -including 2018's $46M investor- is/was off their pledge counter (other income, subscriptions->). According to CIG's own financial report, dev spending already overtook 'official' pledges in 2014, and they had already spent more than had been pledged by 2017 ($193M spent vs $175M on the pledge counter and ~$206M total income by Dec 2017). Project cost so far is about $250-260M ($193M+$60M over Jan '18 - May '19 estimate, based on $45-50M annual spending since 2015 vs ~$40-45M 'income' not just pledges). At least to me, it seems that without last year's $46M investment (for a 10% stake in CIG) the project would have been dead in the water this month or maybe next month tops, so in effect some single guy (yeah and his son...) bought CIG an extra year, it seems. With currently $30-50M (vague enough?) left to burn, the 2020 S42 open beta date on their roadmap is likely within their reach.

The fact that these are called "micro-transactions" is very disgusting. You can buy 3-4 games on sale for that.

TheDeeGee:

The fact that these are called "micro-transactions" is very disgusting. You can buy 3-4 games on sale for that.

It's not microtransactions, this game is financed by players, sellings ships, motorcycle etc... is the business model of the project.

gx-x:

you are wrong. When you look at something 10 light years away from you, WHEN is that which you are looking at?

Uh 10 years ago as in a measure of time NOT ten light years ago as in a measure of distance. Let me clarify by saying I don't think SC is a scam... good. THIS is why I've said this entire thing has some seriously dodgy and almost scam like qualities. IF the developers have raised the money they require as specified by their road map to complete the project plus an entire boat shaped like a massive safe load more then why do they still need to sell stuff? I am not against micro-transactions in a game that has been complete but this thing is still in Alpha. Then they add the seriously slimy aspect, the artificial scarcity, the factor designed to take advantage of the must have it now or I may lose it vrowd. That part is the biggest trigger warning as it is entirely designed to play and take advantage of those that may be subject to impulse control issue and is only a few steps away from being similar to lootboxes. Then on top of this you have it well documented that their may well be mis-management issues going on, every man and his dog is of the opinion that the game is going no where slowly yet they have time to design and create this?

some clever guys found a way to drive sheep into bankruptcy, they should get a nobel prize imo https://erj8na.by.files.1drv.com/y4mJlD2wpid1-__8fGI-NoP5VfFP1kGK9SG8g32nPx7bTWMJa_Yu1ZWQ3vlTtrev6yBQDxfffXC6JRH9icq0tPqDiEGwyAP8SNYg6b2bYN9fb6jyAbhtMWRdHfI6pzX44IK8jEhLoaEbxwp3M6iSj_3aBbJ6nlucTNnNfPe-SfizJ_phh4hFW5-9VXNlRlIHltZ7ecP5m0ZdEaOOZFb2IemYw/wp_ss_20190511_0001%20%282%29.png?psid=1

The Laughing Ma:

IF the developers have raised the money they require as specified by their road map to complete the project plus an entire boat shaped like a massive safe load more then why do they still need to sell stuff?

My theory on this is that, CR wants to let the project last for as long as possible, and then sell the company/IP, partially by claiming that the pledges are 'units sold' divisible by aggregate in mean, mode, or median*, whichever looks the best - coupled with whatever data he can gather (if he is smart) from Google Analytics etc. He isn't dumb...and if he does the above, it will just be a repeat of Freelancer, with him on the project as a consultant/associate producer and if it all goes Pete Tong, he will blame everyone else - not the lack of a credible business plan.... *If he counts mean, then he will be counting the mean average of customers by pledge + MT, then divide. If he counts mode, then he will be counting the whole units in reversal of spend, probably by time, as a whole integer or by simply changing the subject of the formulae, then divide. If he counts median, then he will be counting the mid-point, then divide. I suspect the mean will be the highest number, with median then mode from highest to lowest, using that approximate. I do not know the numbers, just how I would probably personally meddle with figures to make something look appealing to a potential investor. Averages are always interesting, as there are 3 types and you use time in a sort of forth dimensionality to the numbers. Good fun. Into the figures will be the promotional activity or 'column inches'. Over time is best, and any news articles (regardless of their positive or negative connotation). Of all the companies who would buy it, I think Google would be interested for their upcoming cloud platform. They got the cash and would love nothing more than having a 'killer app' for their marketing, regardless of whether it is any good (not implying anything, just know they are looking for exclusives). Amazon, probably not, although they would like the connection to AWS, amazon prime, twitch etc - so I would not wish to rule them out. Apple, highly unlikely. Facebook...not unless they see some connection to something they already have an interest in...I know they are always looking for new IP...unlikely they would see this as potential IP purchase... Samsung and other tablet producers...very possible, just to publish quickly and cheaply. Valve/Steam. This is a wild card, and really just very unlikely as they like Source. ALL AAA publishers (EA, 2K etc) very very very very unlikely and they would see it as something that has earnt all of its MT already, so nothing left to exploit! They would also have concerns about customer support and generic post-purchase 'hassle' to them. As far as EA are concerned, the best customer is one that buys a game, never refunds it and never complains to customer services! So Google to me makes the most sense because they are knee deep now, versus others that have not even dipped a toe in yet. So yeah, that is my theory - he will sell the company off and blame everyone for 'not understanding his vision'. His eyes are open yet, he is blind.

Rags:

It's not a micro transaction. It's a pledge dumb dumb. Time to re enable ad block.

A pledge is a one off payment designed to give the developer cash to get the business off the ground. It is generally a bare minimum investment which depending on the pledged sum may or may not result in a reward at some point down the line usually tiered in line with the amount of the initial pledge. This is a micro transaction as it is a wholly specific item that is purchased via the games store front and requires that you have already bought in to or 'pledged' to get access to the game otherwise it is utterly worthless.

This is not a GAME PACKAGE. Please note a GAME PACKAGE is required to play the game and fly or access your ships.

Taken from the CIG store front.

KissSh0t:

It would be pretty cool to jump that bike out the back of a spaceship from orbit onto a planet....

you couldn't do it from orbit, you could do it within atmosphere and then die on impact.

The Laughing Ma:

A pledge is a one off payment designed to give the developer cash to get the business off the ground. It is generally a bare minimum investment which depending on the pledged sum may or may not result in a reward at some point down the line usually tiered in line with the amount of the initial pledge. This is a micro transaction as it is a wholly specific item that is purchased via the games store front and requires that you have already bought in to or 'pledged' to get access to the game otherwise it is utterly worthless. Taken from the CIG store front.

At what point does a micro transaction become a macro transaction?

Denial:

At what point does a micro transaction become a macro transaction?

Lol good question I would have to check but the price they are asking for a single in game vehicle to be used in a game that is barely even a game looks around about the same sort of price I paid for BL2s season pass and that gave me well over 400 hours of game play and what can only be called a metric butt load of content.... not some poxy one off super rare bike that's rare because the data base has a 10 in it instead of a 10,000,0000. I mean I played GTAO for 4 years and some of the vehicle MTXs in that were face smackingly stupid but nothing even close to this utter con job.