Star Citizen Made a $27,000 DLC Bundle Exclusively for the $1,000+ Concierge Community
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metagamer
You're contradicting yourself. One minute you're saying that you'll have to spend $200 for an EA game and still have a lot missing. On the other hand you're also claiming that spending $60 will allow you to enjoy SC to it's fullest. Really? As much as the $27,000 guy?
Denial
You'll be able to earn all the ships with in game currency at some point. Now that itself is obviously an issue but I don't see how it's any different than a game like Eve, where ships also cost thousands of real life dollars if you want them immediately.
metagamer
How long will that take? Just a rough guess? 10,000 hours? More? Also, can you not unlock everything in EA games just by playing the game?
rcole134
Really. I'm completely positive that I will actually have more fun in the game than those that buy all of the ships. I get to have the fun of actually earning them and learning the game mechanics as they come along. Also, like many I'm a member of a good org which means if I really, really feel the need to fly something like an Idris or Javelin I can not that I actually could of course because those ships will require multiple people to pilot them correctly. Probably one big issue with people not keeping upto date with SC's progress is that they think people with all the ships will have advantages over everyone else. If only. The only advantage they will have is they have all the ships. I will have every other advantage. But that's only my point of view and all I have to go on is 5+ years of supporting the game and keeping up on whats going on oh and being in an org whose members actually range from those that just own a single ship and package to those who have just brought the Legatus Pack.
Denial
Isn't the difficulty by design? Have you ever played a game like Eve before? The players don't want people to access all the ships, it's designed to be hard to do - so that you have to form corporations (or whatever they call them in starcitizen) and work with dozens of other players in order to create fleets and man them. It's like saying I can't enjoy real life because I'll never be able to personally afford a plane. The idea is that as a corp you build one of these super expensive capital ships and it's your corps ship. You don't want individual players to own them.
I never said EA was different or the same but on that note I think all games with lootboxes are similar. Yeah they don't offer $27K packages but there are definitely whales in the game spending that much on them.
slick3
Correct me if I'm wrong, but the feeling I get from this game is the developers didn't have a clear vision right from the get-go. Their idea was to work with however much funding they received. Now that they have their funding, and it exceeded their expectations - they have endless possibility to play with, an indefinite number of features to try implementing etc.
They are building a castle with an endless number of Lego bricks in hand, and they don't know what the final picture looks like.
Once they know what they hope to achieve with their project, we will then have an approximate release date in mind.
metagamer
Ok, so it's fine to earn everything in SC by playing and having fun while unlocking things and you actually don't feel the need to have everything anyway. But in EA games, you're not fine with doing the same and felt the need to add that even after spending $200 you'll still have things missing, when in fact spending $200 on SC you'll be missing a lot more? I think we're done here.
metagamer
I have zero issues with unlocking everything in game. You give Eve as example and it's great that people can grind out everything. But now SC gives you an option to skip grind and get everything with cash. Does Eve offer a cash shop where you can buy all the content with real money?
Denial
You're not missing anything, the entire game can be completed with the starter ship. In Battlefield I can't even play with my friends because they all bought the expansions and play on servers that rotate through maps I don't have. Past few battlefields have completely segmented the multiplayer base through monetization in that way. I'd argue that's way worse than what SC is doing with ships that you can eventually earn with in game currency.
Yes:
https://secure.eveonline.com/PLEX/
You can buy PLEX then convert it to ISK in game and buy any ship/character. A corp will have to make the ship, so it differs in that regard but SC already talked about this becoming a thing in the future. But yeah you can buy in game items with real life currency and some of those ships also cost thousands of dollars.
rcole134
Now, someone will possibly need to correct me about the date but here goes. About 4.5 - 5 years ago when CIG had hit there goal they put out a question to there then backers as to whether or not they should just make the game they originally envisioned or if they should expand it. The majority chose to expand on the original. Since then backers have continually asked CIG to keep adding feature after feature and because a lot of them were really good they have continued to add. Fairly recently (about a year ago) they slowed down to an almost crawl on the feature creep that had started to happen. They've also had to spend the last 5+ years not only building the Lego pieces but the offices and staff require to assemble them. No wonder it seems like its taking forever. From the perspective of someone that's been with the project from almost the beginning I ca safely say that the building Lego pieces are now actually starting to show form and what I can see looks fantastic. How much longer might it take? If I'm realistic I'd say 2 years to Beta.
rcole134
Yes, its called grey market and loads of Eve players use it.
metagamer
Ok ok... this is how I see it. The BF example... If I really like the game and spend a lot of time playing it, I don't mind dropping the money on the Season Pass because I get good value out of it. Same with Eve, people who like the game and have played it for thousands of hours drop money on content. My problem with SC is that it's not even out, we don't know what we're getting and to offer a $27,000 package for something we don't know about doesn't rub well with me.
Hey, I've spent hundreds of £££ on BDO because I liked the game and spent over 7000 hours in it. I had good value out of that money. But we don't know what SC will become so I find it absurd that a $27,000 package should even exist.
Denial
I think this is a fair criticism.
rcole134
You did kind of get it. The end bit though I'll put another way. I find it absurd that there are people out there who think apple make incredibly well built cutting edge hardware like iPhones and iPads even though they obviously do not just as you find giving $27,000 and getting set of ships is as a thankyou is absurd. OK. Luckily for us this is (for the most part) a world where we have free choice which mean like me not buying an apple product you don't have to give $27,000 and receive a set of ships. BF is different. Yes you can buy just the $60 dollar game and enjoy it but if you want the entire game you'll either have to give them the other £140 approx. or wait until the next BF game is out a year later in which case they'll give you the maps for free.
rcole134
The biggest issues with the whole expensive packages thing is trolls, people who don't know what they're talking about, people given the wrong impression by the previous 2 and CIG not actually giving a damn because why would they? The business model works. Oh and not forgetting the 'stupid' fans who follow completely blindly and don't understand the previous sentence. ie: CIg are a business not your friend and this business model not only works but has made them $185,000,000 so far and isn't really slowing down.
metagamer
Difference is with Apple, you know what you're buying, it's a finished product and even if you pre order before launch, you know exactly what you'll get, you'll have all the specs right in front of you if you want, you know what materials will be used, what cpu you'll get, what screen etc. With SC, nobody knows what we get. For all we know right now, we could wait another 5 years and get an average game. They're charging people for something that doesn't even exist.
rcole134
I really hoped you'd get the underlining meaning there. OK, I'll make it really simply instead. Its free choice. Buy, don't buy? Its makes no difference and is about as absurd as someone spending $6000 on a TV instead of $1000. As for knowing what your buying with apple. Its surprising how many people have zero idea past the apple brand as to what they're actually buying. (spoiler - pre existing hardware made to look new and cutting edge for the most part) As for SC, I fully aware of not only what I have so far but whats coming in the future too and for the most part and actual time frame. Its not great but its also something which we didn't have for the majority of last year.
Reddoguk
When the game goes live (lol) will i be able to beat a player who has dropped nearly 30k on the game? i highly doubt it so whats the point?
metagamer
What's with the Apple obsession?
rcole134
I love apples. Pink lady's are my favourite. lol
Ok in all seriousness, Apple came to mind because they are a company who sell a lot of there products for what seems like way above the market average and have incredibly passionate fans and haters of which like in anything I'm not a fan of either side. I chose them also probably because like CIG there marketing strategy is both very questionable and incredibly effective at the same time.
But mainly I chose Apple because I love Apples lol
