Sapphire Technology Product Manager Spills Some Beans on AMD NAVI

FrostNixon

2019-05-21 17:07

If it comes out for 500 and performs similarly to a 2070 it's dead in the water day one. I have been holding onto my rx 580 for a while, just to get a NAVI and if it's so slow and pricey and as we know HOT AS HELL, thank you, but no thank you.

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MonstroMart

2019-05-21 17:15

JamesSneed:

I like pulling for AMD but if they don't push the GPU market forward then Im likely getting whatever Nvidia puts out on 7nm. Still holding onto my GTX 1070 and my 2k monitor which is actually doing pretty well. I did have an ati 9700 pro and an ATI 5870 which at the time they were better than anything Nvidia offered albeit the 5870's dominance was very short lived. Hopefully next week we can get some details on big Navi or whatever they will call it.

Haha i'm pretty much like you the last two ATI/AMD GPU i owned is a 9800 pro (flashed to XT with a custom cooler) and a 5850. The 9800 pro flashed to XT remains one of the best card i ever owned. Like you said the 5850/5870 price to performance "dominance" was short lived but it was still a very good card and from that i can remember it was not running hot at all. I own a 1070 too and while it's okay at 2k144Hz most of the time it's a little bit on the not powerful enough side. I wish i could upgrade. The 2070 has come down in price and at the current price i could justify it (the launch price was totally ridiculous and i still have not digested it) but just to make a statement with my wallet if Navi is not good enough i'll wait for the next nVidia lineup i wont touch the RTX cards.

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alanm

2019-05-21 19:44

tunejunky:

5) given the efficiencies and power draw @ 7nm, wc Navi may not actually need wc....my Radeon VII doesn't (even tho' i do have it on a custom loop). i wc the Radeon VII more for noise than the few extra fps i get.

When someone WC's a GPU to keep noise down rather than for performance sake, you know theres an interesting story somewhere 😀. So how do you like the R7 vs the 1080ti?

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Aura89

2019-05-21 19:45

Michal Turlik 21:

Considering that my oc gtx 1080 is on par with the rtx 2070 I am wondering which the sense should be by releasing something that will be on par with a 5 years old technology...wait...maybe I got the point...cash.

Are you in the future? Specifically May 27th, 2021? That's my only assumption i can come up with due to your "5 years old technology" statement. You must be in the future, May 27th 2021 or later, for a GTX 1080 to be 5 years old.

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GamerNerves

2019-05-21 20:15

I expect better than this. AMD will either quickly lower pricing post launch or these prices are for premium Sapphire cards. You should think logically: Why release products which are dead on arrival? I'm personally expecting at least hundred euros less for both cards from typical partners like Gigabyte. Some analyses don't consider the market space at all, just thinking that maximum profit is what every company is after, when AMD cannot gain that by overpricing.

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Rich_Guy

2019-05-21 20:21

Lets just take a moment, to think how they are going to do RT via software, after seeing how well Nvidia can do it via hardware 😱 😛

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OnnA

2019-05-21 23:15

Guys i think it's $499 Singapur Dollar 😉 (w/7% Tax) Navi 10 XT = ~330 USD Navi 10 ("Pro") = ~280 USD IMhO Hi-End Navi starting price will be at ~299€ (As Polaris was, or maby lower? who knows) Those are small chips, easy to manufacture with good Yield... So pricing at >400€ do not do any good to ATI/AMD.

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Undying

2019-05-22 00:28

Michal Turlik 21:

Here we go. I am getting tired of repeating that Nvidia is trolling the real performance of Pascal gpus. The Gtx 1080 is a little monster, especially when oc'ed. It gets so close to the gtx 1080ti that the difference is something between 10-15%. And not less it kicks the rtx 2070 ass. My Rig: Asus X470-I ROG Strix 16 gb ddr4 3200 mhz Ryzen 2700x (stock clock) Watercooled and oc gtx 1080 fe with 399.24 drivers (the last good ones for Pascal gpus) Rage 2 has been run in 4k on ultra settings with soft vsync, txaa+fxaa As for the fps capturing I did use the awesome OCAT piece of software: https://github.com/GPUOpen-Tools/OCAT/releases Here you can grab my video showing the magic - this is a Rage 2 gameplay session that I have recorded for the misbelievings 🙂 https://drive.google.com/open?id=17eg_Np8bBrgSs2VR8xjgzuuIUX3btr2r I know, the word is: unbelievable 🙂 Undying, I can not say anything more cause I may offend you and the last thing that I want is to be banned - cheers!

Nah man i wont get offended we are just talking. Im glad you are happy with the peformance of the 1080 and i didnt said its slow by any means just that newer games favor turing. Cheers and nice video. :P

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NCC1701D

2019-05-22 01:06

JamesSneed:

I like pulling for AMD but if they don't push the GPU market forward then Im likely getting whatever Nvidia puts out on 7nm. Still holding onto my GTX 1070 and my 2k monitor which is actually doing pretty well. I did have an ati 9700 pro and an ATI 5870 which at the time they were better than anything Nvidia offered albeit the 5870's dominance was very short lived. Hopefully next week we can get some details on big Navi or whatever they will call it.

5870 was a hell of a card back in the day. I rocked that card for years. It was my last AMD card and I've been NVIDIA ever since. Hoping they make a comeback in the GPU world for the top shelf stuff. I'm not interested in the budget baller cards they excel at.

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EspHack

2019-05-22 01:13

asturur:

Who bought a 1080ti at launch price definitely bought the most longeve card i heard of.

indeed, its the q6600/920/2500k of the GPU world, for a while i thought that would never happen

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Undying

2019-05-22 01:18

Its not the first time. Someone mentioned it page before that amd hawaii did the same thing. 290/390x from 2013 is still quite powerful while his competitor 780 is long gone

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Aura89

2019-05-22 01:48

Michal Turlik 21:

The Gtx 1080 is a little monster, especially when oc'ed.

There's no point to comparing an OC'd card to non-OC'd card. If you compare OC to OC, you'll find similar performance gaps that are between vanilla and vanilla of the same cards.

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tunejunky

2019-05-22 18:26

alanm:

When someone WC's a GPU to keep noise down rather than for performance sake, you know theres an interesting story somewhere 😀. So how do you like the R7 vs the 1080ti?

it's better in every application i have and the games i play. i still use the 1080ti, but in my htpc (still have the waterblock) where it replaced a gtx 970. i did a mild oc on the R7, nothing major. i'm an audiophile so i'm hypersensitive to noise, especially harmonics (i.e. fans and fan bearings) and induced hums (i.e. power supplies). i'm also a (not that great) home musician as i play the French horn and trumpet. so i have many tributaries of nerd running into my river of geek.

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waltc3

2019-05-25 19:38

tunejunky:

it's better in every application i have and the games i play. i still use the 1080ti, but in my htpc (still have the waterblock) where it replaced a gtx 970. i did a mild oc on the R7, nothing major. i'm an audiophile so i'm hypersensitive to noise, especially harmonics (i.e. fans and fan bearings) and induced hums (i.e. power supplies). i'm also a (not that great) home musician as i play the French horn and trumpet. so i have many tributaries of nerd running into my river of geek.

Good for you! Guitar & trumpet here for many years...but that is a fading but very pleasant memory. Hard to figure these posts about the 1080--never had one and never missed it, either.