Sapphire Technology Product Manager Spills Some Beans on AMD NAVI

#5671355

Devid

2019-05-21 09:42

water-cooled Poison Toxic... This sounds dangerous to me...:D

#5671361

ttnuagmada

2019-05-21 10:19

So they're comparing a 500 dollar video card to the 2070. That's not a good sign.

#5671363

Neo Cyrus

2019-05-21 10:27

Set to compete with the RTX 2070... *sheds a tear*

#5671372

icedman

2019-05-21 10:59

Gpu's have really gotten stale the last few generations from both camps and AMD not competing at the top isnt helping. AMD on 7nm still wont be beating nvidia on 14nm which is bad.

#5671374

asturur

2019-05-21 11:03

rtx 2070 should be 499 as well, but is always sold higher. Amd cards generally drop in price after a bit. Who bought a 1080ti at launch price definitely bought the most longeve card i heard of.

#5671375

ttnuagmada

2019-05-21 11:04

asturur:

rtx 2070 should be 499 as well, but is always sold higher. Amd cards generally drop in price after a bit. Who bought a 1080ti at launch price definitely bought the most longeve card i heard of.

There have been 2070's selling for 469-479 since they launched.

#5671385

Yogi

2019-05-21 11:32

asturur:

Who bought a 1080ti at launch price definitely bought the most longeve card i heard of.

Hawaii would like a word.

#5671398

Undying

2019-05-21 12:12

Michal Turlik 21:

Considering that my oc gtx 1080 is on par with the rtx 2070 I am wondering which the sense should be by releasing something that will be on par with a 5 years old technology...wait...maybe I got the point...cash.

2070 is faster than 1080 in every new game, especially ones using Vulkan. Same goes for 2080 vs 1080ti.

#5671426

Undying

2019-05-21 13:31

Fox2232:

Well, did you ask yourself about about nVidia releasing RTX 2060 and lower GPUs since they already had GPUs in those performance ranges? (And yes, GTX 1080 performs same way as RTX 2060. Compare OC to OC. Or Stock to Stock.)

DF video wolfenstein 2 even the 2060 outperformed 1080. Im sure Rage 2 and Doom result would probably be the same. 1080 cant even touch 2070 in such a titles. Mute question is why is he still using 399.24 driver.

#5671436

Evildead666

2019-05-21 14:04

I expect the 499 card to be watercooled/VII Triple fan only, hence the price. The 399 card will probably come with lower clocks/CUs and lesser aircooling. Looking a lot like Fury and Vega all over again. edit :at least its out of the door, and they can concentrate on the next stuff.

#5671455

tunejunky

2019-05-21 15:03

the responses to this are (shall we say?) typical, from the typical camps. 1) there is no doubt a triple fan wc card will add expense - typically $75-100 at retail. 2) obviously, not all models of the top card will be wc, even if all aren't custom boards. 3) AMD cards have better drivers over time (aka Fine Wine). my Radeon VII is already 3-5% faster since launch. 4) the top non wc card should be $375-$425....which is much more mainstream, which is what Navi was designed to be. 5) given the efficiencies and power draw @ 7nm, wc Navi may not actually need wc....my Radeon VII doesn't (even tho' i do have it on a custom loop). i wc the Radeon VII more for noise than the few extra fps i get.

#5671457

schmidtbag

2019-05-21 15:12

I'm not liking those price points. I have a feeling I might be waiting longer than I thought to do a 4K upgrade. But, if these are Sapphire's prices at launch day, maybe it won't be so bad; they are typically more expensive than others.

icedman:

Gpu's have really gotten stale the last few generations from both camps and AMD not competing at the top isnt helping. AMD on 7nm still wont be beating nvidia on 14nm which is bad.

That doesn't make any sense... 7nm doesn't just magically make everything better. Relative to AMD's last gen stuff, it is an improvement, but you're comparing apples to oranges here.

#5671459

Astyanax

2019-05-21 15:16

Guess which company's not getting initial stock now.

#5671476

vbetts

Moderator

2019-05-21 15:35

Astyanax:

Guess which company's not getting initial stock now.

Sapphire will still, they're probably AMD's best board partner lol.

#5671490

MonstroMart

2019-05-21 15:54

I really should have bought a 1080 instead of a 1070 dammit!!!

#5671508

schmidtbag

2019-05-21 16:38

Humanoid_1:

Yup, I would still be waiting too, but was forced into an upgrade when my Fury died... The 2080ti has reached 4k 60fps levels reliably, but is a bit Nope! for me at that price lol Got a great Black Friday deal on an almost 4k ready 2080 - Good enough for now. Still want one of AMD's Next Gen post GCN cards when they finally get here with their chiplet design - they will do proper 4k 🙂

I hear ya. I could never justify buying a 2080Ti. A 2080 is 4K-ready if you just turn off AA. Depending on the size of your display, you probably wouldn't notice AA being off anyway, though, I'm sure some purists here will vehemently disagree. I too would hope the post-GCN cards will be what we're looking for but knowing their development rate, that's just way too far away, and that includes mature drivers. On the note of those chiplet-based GPUs, I'd like to see if that breathes new life into mGPU setups, where you can basically just keep adding as many core clusters as you want and it will scale appropriately. So to start with, you could have AIBs where their performance is basically determined by how many core clusters they have and how much VRAM they have. Then, there could be absurd Crossfire setups where you've got PCIe x1 or M.2 cards with only a single core cluster that act as a mini performance boost. I'm not keeping my hopes up that will happen, but I think it'd be pretty cool to be able to incrementally add performance like that.

#5671513

Astyanax

2019-05-21 16:48

vbetts:

Sapphire will still, they're probably AMD's best board partner lol.

Yeaaah, AMD can't afford to punish its partners.

#5671521

JamesSneed

2019-05-21 17:02

Astyanax:

Yeaaah, AMD can't afford to punish its partners.

They can ask Sapphire to fire the person who leaked it which is what I suspect will occur.

#5671522

Evildead666

2019-05-21 17:04

schmidtbag:

I hear ya. I could never justify buying a 2080Ti. A 2080 is 4K-ready if you just turn off AA. Depending on the size of your display, you probably wouldn't notice AA being off anyway, though, I'm sure some purists here will vehemently disagree. I too would hope the post-GCN cards will be what we're looking for but knowing their development rate, that's just way too far away, and that includes mature drivers. On the note of those chiplet-based GPUs, I'd like to see if that breathes new life into mGPU setups, where you can basically just keep adding as many core clusters as you want and it will scale appropriately. So to start with, you could have AIBs where their performance is basically determined by how many core clusters they have and how much VRAM they have. Then, there could be absurd Crossfire setups where you've got PCIe x1 or M.2 cards with only a single core cluster that act as a mini performance boost. I'm not keeping my hopes up that will happen, but I think it'd be pretty cool to be able to incrementally add performance like that.

I dont think we'll be seeing multi-card setups outside of the industrial/research space anymore. On the other hand, it does mean we could see maybe 16 chiplets (or more) on a single board (with HBM). I look forward to our new chiplet overlords 🙂

#5671523

JamesSneed

2019-05-21 17:07

I like pulling for AMD but if they don't push the GPU market forward then Im likely getting whatever Nvidia puts out on 7nm. Still holding onto my GTX 1070 and my 2k monitor which is actually doing pretty well. I did have an ati 9700 pro and an ATI 5870 which at the time they were better than anything Nvidia offered albeit the 5870's dominance was very short lived. Hopefully next week we can get some details on big Navi or whatever they will call it.