#5709270

Astyanax

2019-09-09 08:47

These are capacity focused chips, rather than performance.

#5709282

Kaarme

2019-09-09 10:40

With those specs, it's perfect for the big PC vendors who never care about the speed or timings, only the price and capacity. They can still sell their "Ultra Gaming PC", and the average prebuilt buyer won't know any better, as long as there are plenty of RGB leds.

#5709286

Exodite

2019-09-09 12:03

It makes sense that performance would regress with a new process and design, though I suppose it's possible that these very early samples are for validation as well? As in, the final products might offer notably better options. Compared CPU engineering samples etc.

#5709295

Silva

2019-09-09 13:06

Although timings sound bad, these fall in line with JEDEC specification. Samsung has to validate they can initiate production within spec, then look for improvements.

#5709301

anticupidon

2019-09-09 13:52

So, those chips will clock higher or lower than B-Die? Is Samsung cheaping out?

#5709304

Astyanax

2019-09-09 14:00

anticupidon:

So, those chips will clock higher or lower than B-Die? Is Samsung cheaping out?

clocks are irrelavant, its timing that will suffer with density.

#5709308

asturur

2019-09-09 14:20

Astyanax:

clocks are irrelavant, its timing that will suffer with density.

How is timing related to density? do you have some kind of explanation or article i can read?

#5709313

Astyanax

2019-09-09 14:35

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dynamic_random-access_memory#Principles_of_operation

#5709342

asturur

2019-09-09 16:27

link does not work

#5709360

DLD

2019-09-09 18:17

@Kaarme@ --- BEST COMMENT on this Forum, ever!:) the average prebuilt buyer won't know any better, as long as there are plenty of RGB leds

#5709425

umeng2002

2019-09-09 22:55

Will the next ones be -A dies? Then -B dies, etc.?

#5709429

Neo Cyrus

2019-09-09 22:59

SetsunaFZero:

As long we don't have any Blackouts and tsunamis the price is gonna fall. The Toshiba blackout 2 months ago hiked RAM prices by 5 to 15€

Bro, some dude saw a squirrel fart in Malaysia last week. RAM prices have to be increased 800% again for the next 4 years. Sorry. I wish that wasn't so disgustingly close to what has actually been going on. I can't believe businesses can be allowed to so freely price fix and a decade and a half later all that happens is that they get a slap on the wrist, if even that.

#5709444

GSDragoon

2019-09-09 23:24

Kaarme:

With those specs, it's perfect for the big PC vendors who never care about the speed or timings, only the price and capacity. They can still sell their "Ultra Gaming PC", and the average prebuilt buyer won't know any better, as long as there are plenty of RGB leds.

More CLs means faster performance too, right?

#5709462

Venix

2019-09-10 01:16

@Neo Cyrus the biggest problem i see is that Samsung micron and hynix sit on the table and decide to jack up prices .... If your computer is vital for your work etc and you need ram right now .....what can you do? Especially if it is your livelihood .... nothing just shamefully lower your head when you buy em !

#5709470

user1

2019-09-10 01:49

we still have samsung 8Gb C-die being produced atm, currently only shipping on oem samsung dimms, but they can still do reasonable timings/frequencies from what i have read. edit: there is also an 8Gb D-die revision now available, shouldn't effect higher speed memory availability from samsung that much.