Sales of graphics cards hit lowest sales since a decade
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Hypernaut
I get a minimum 32 FPS in a busy AO in a 70 player coop. I get highs in into the 90s on single player and when the server is quiet, which is rare.
The engine is bad but the gameplay, oh man the gameplay, there is nothing like it. The community is awesome too. Reminds of the ED playerbase before the virus. Before the rude and totalitarian left took over. The Arma 3 community doesn't suffer those fools
Airbud
Best Buy has 3070ti in stock
pegasus1
I suspect your definition of no problem is completely different to anybody elses, ARMA 3 plays dreadfully on any hardware due to its ancient coding.
Its a slideshow on a 6900xt at 2.6ghz and a 5800x3d with 64gb of ram.
fantaskarsef
The thing is, even those discounted prices are still high. 4090 with a 300$ discount still does mean 2300€ incl tax here... or a 4080 for 1500, even though it's gotten that 300€ discount lately.
Cards are still double of what they should cost if you're around long enough to have bought before the mining craze. I don't think that's showing the market might of the customer.
Oh wait. It is.
Valken
I am up to 90 FPS online at 1080p or 45-50 FPS @ 4K online with my system in the sig. I play ARMA 3 on this OLD system until ARMA 4 comes out and hopefully then $300, $400 and $500 GPUs will come out that crushes the 4090Ti Super Duper Wat eva...
My settings Ultra except for objects set to LOW and 2x AA @ 1080p or NO AA at 4K (dun need it at this DPI).
I can definitively wait.
pegasus1
But Nvidia or even AMD are not responsible for import taxes, local and country taxes or even exchange rates, they release a product at a USD MSRP and let everybody else crack on.
Turkey for instance places a huge level of import tax on items such as computer parts, what are Nvidia expected to do, cut prices to all Turkish third parties by 40 - 60%?
fantaskarsef
The starting price of current gen cards is higher than last generation's even before VAT or import taxes. Even USD MSRP is higher, which is before taxes.
Of course you are right, and the taxes aren't Nvidia's / AMD's thing, but the point is, even before any import or other tax, prices are higher.
Keitosha
Not only that, you could buy a PS5, Xbox series X, Switch OLED and still have money left to spend.
I got lucky I found a reference AMD RX6800 a few months ago for 500 euro's. Was from a 60y old guy still living with his parents in his mancave (not joking). He only played indie titles and wanted to go to something less (RX6600 or something). I guess I will use this card for years to come.
Someone should generate a surprised Pikachu face with the Nvidia AI image generator.
Valken
You are not wrong, but Nvidia also does NOT sell at USD MSRP to dealers in the EU or anywhere.
The margins are something between X and Y, which is WAY under MSRP.
So if the wholesale cost is 70% of MSRP, then the costs would scale up and should be at MAX 30% more in the EU:
70% + 10% VAT + 10% transport costs + 10% GST (if any) + 30% profit back to the dealers. That is 130% or 150% with exchange rate, given an ABSURD 20% between USD to Euros.
The FACTS are dealers are marking up the cards between 70-150% and all that difference are PURE GREEDY AF PROFITS!
I would know.., I work for a tech company that does global IT... I know how much my dealers, partners and channel makes. Businesses can afford the mark ups for on going "services and warranty" but to consumers, it is pure R * P E...
pegasus1
The dealer, not the manufacturer, but that is business at the end of the day. its always a balance between volume and per unit markup.
It doesnt effect me as my wages are the same if im sat at home or in work ha ha ha
pegasus1
And id be surprised if they weren't, not that it makes it right, or wrong for that matter, people will buy or not.
Supertribble
I have 3070 and 3080 and right now I'm spending more time on the 3070. The price of energy is crazy at the moment so I'm lowering settings here and there and dropping screen resolution a bit. I can't really notice much of a difference in the game I play (Division 2) and the cards is running mostly at 100-140watts. 4K really adds so much power for little visual gain IMO. 85% res scaling uses much less power.
These huge GPUs with their massive power requirements seem, in a weird way, like a relic, and overall not sustainable IMO going forward.
Neo Cyrus
Am I the only one who thinks buying a 2 year old GPU for hundreds of Murican dollars is a pile of steaming BS? I would be furious if something like a 3080 was the only realistic option available to me now. I got mine (TUF OC model) not too long after launch at the Canadian MSRP ($1K, so $1.13K after tax) and to this day I feel like I got robbed.
fantaskarsef
No, you're not:
Nopa
Thanks. Always heard MicroCenter's IT prices are the cheapest there.
Alessio1989
after 2 years some cards are still far from MSRP price... what did they expect?
H83
I think the same.
During the blakc sales friday, i had the chance to buy a Saphire Nitro+ 6800XT for 690€ but i could`t stop thinking about paying that much for an "old" card so i din`t buy it.
I even tried to sell my 1080Ti to make the deal "easier" but no i didn`t sell it, so no deal in the end.
I don`t know if i did the right choice but i`m not worried because next month starts the amazing Guru3d christmas contest and my body is ready!
wavetrex
That 1080 Ti is still powerful enough for yet another year, so you can afford to wait.
Those of us that have been stuck with slower cards, like 1070 or less, we could pretty much not play any modern game anymore at decent quality settings.
I bit the bullet at roughly 700 € for a 6800 XT (which was basically the lower price in my country), and now I can wait again for several years until I need to upgrade.
A basic 3080 (10GB) is still upwards of 900 € here, that's just disgusting.
JamesSneed
Same here. I'm waiting it out. I likely will get the 7900xt at $899.
JamesSneed
You know you can easily set a lower power limit? The nifty thing about GPU's is how parallel they are they do pretty well with lower power limits. Set a 225w power limit on the 3080 and it will still be a tad faster than the 3070.
These commands work in Linux and Windows.
Nvidia command to list out all data points:
nvidia-smi -q
Nvidia command to set power limit 225w:
nvidia-smi -pl 225
