tty8k:

Nope, you run in to GPU bottleneck if you want more fps. The way to run into cpu bottleneck is if you run fsr/dlss at 4k with medium quality

Nah, I have a second PC with 12400F + 2080Ti and it offer higher 1% low FPS than 9900K + 3090, CPU/RAM matter a lot even at 4K when you play competitive games with competitive settings

Looks like the IPC gain isn't really much over Zen 3 unless you use some of the new instructions. Most of the gainz seem to come from the higher clocks and bigger L2 cache. It's probably still a 4-wide design I'm guessing

tty8k:

Who cares about 1% lol and hey, in 1 hour of gaming I had a drop to 20fps on one machine and 30fps on the other. Thats gotta be worth 1000e upgrade lol.

you think 12400f is 1000 euros ? lol

Krizby:

Nah, I have a second PC with 12400F + 2080Ti and it offer higher 1% low FPS than 9900K + 3090, CPU/RAM matter a lot even at 4K when you play competitive games with competitive settings

12400f is absolutely ridiculous for gaming,it's faster than 9900k more often than not https://www.purepc.pl/amd-ryzen-5-5600-vs-intel-core-i5-12400f-test-procesorow-do-1000-zlotych-ktory-jest-szybszy-i-bedzie-lepszym-wyborem?page=0,53 https://www.purepc.pl/amd-ryzen-5-5600-vs-intel-core-i5-12400f-test-procesorow-do-1000-zlotych-ktory-jest-szybszy-i-bedzie-lepszym-wyborem?page=0,55 https://www.purepc.pl/amd-ryzen-5-5600-vs-intel-core-i5-12400f-test-procesorow-do-1000-zlotych-ktory-jest-szybszy-i-bedzie-lepszym-wyborem?page=0,57 the only reason why I haven't bought one yet is 13400/13500 coming soon (with larger cache and e-cores).13500 is going to have 4.5GHz stock clock and 8 e-cores.hope it's ~220eur like 12500. or under 250. I can get 250eur I paid for 10700f back no problem. If I can get 13500 for selling 10700f and reuse my b-die ddr4, I'm buying it for sure. only a fool wouldn't.

nizzen:

In 2022 we run cpu @ "stock" and tweaking the RAM to the max 😀 That's how we are getting maximum fps in games 😉

Is this sarcastic? because last week you said jo run 12900k overclocked.

nizzen:

I'm playing games on 12900k @ 5.4ghz all core, an it hits 63c on the hottest core. Not delidded

nizzen:

In 2022 we run cpu @ "stock" and tweaking the RAM to the max 😀 That's how we are getting maximum fps in games 😉

Good luck with stability in games while overclocking your ram. Then blame the nvidia drivers for bsods xD

13900KF ES

Witcher29:

Good luck with stability in games while overclocking your ram. Then blame the nvidia drivers for bsods xD

LOL. Another one that doesn't know how to tweak and test memory.

Witcher29:

Good luck with stability in games while overclocking your ram. Then blame the nvidia drivers for bsods xD

that takes real quick to test. just revert to xmp if you're getting bsod's and you're not sure if they're memory related or not.

and the clickbait of testing on unfinalized drivers begins (for AMD)... a few notes: 1) no-one is going to buy the 7950X for a single application or (just) gaming especially since it's apparent there will be a Raphael-X (3D cache). this is an enthusiast's SKU that will now be the poor man's TR 2) the leaks are very promising for both flavors and both camps have done impressive work. AMD is still kicking butt on efficiency and there will be no topping the 7950X for multi-threaded work loads (or tests like blender & transcode). 3) nobody should be citing these alleged benches, including those from Intel as it is just feeding the "content" monster of pre-mature speculation. the real monsters for the new generation are the mid-range price battles. we know this gen that there is near parity for gaming (until Raphael-X obliterates all the other new cpus) so i think we should also look at the ecosystem and environment. Intel has a bit of an advantage in that they own 80+% of the OEM market but they require more power and emit more heat. AMD is being a bit different in that they are differentiating the current market by motherboard and chipset - we have yet to see a single X670 (non E) or B series mobo but they all will need ddr5 - unlike the low end Intel. a lot of these bench tests are directly affected by which board is used under what circumstances because of the pcie lanes at the very least i'm very curious about pcie 5.0 storage, but we all know that even the most basic NVME M.2 will work a treat for gaming.

Witcher29:

Good luck with stability in games while overclocking your ram. Then blame the nvidia drivers for bsods xD

Not everyone is a noob like you 🙂

TLD LARS:

Is this sarcastic? because last week you said jo run 12900k overclocked.

I overclock everything, just for the sake of overclocking 😀 There is no need to overclock the cpu from stock. It isn't where the big performance gain in games is 🙂

cucaulay malkin:

12400f is absolutely ridiculous for gaming,it's faster than 9900k more often than not https://www.purepc.pl/amd-ryzen-5-5600-vs-intel-core-i5-12400f-test-procesorow-do-1000-zlotych-ktory-jest-szybszy-i-bedzie-lepszym-wyborem?page=0,53 https://www.purepc.pl/amd-ryzen-5-5600-vs-intel-core-i5-12400f-test-procesorow-do-1000-zlotych-ktory-jest-szybszy-i-bedzie-lepszym-wyborem?page=0,55 https://www.purepc.pl/amd-ryzen-5-5600-vs-intel-core-i5-12400f-test-procesorow-do-1000-zlotych-ktory-jest-szybszy-i-bedzie-lepszym-wyborem?page=0,57 the only reason why I haven't bought one yet is 13400/13500 coming soon (with larger cache and e-cores).13500 is going to have 4.5GHz stock clock and 8 e-cores.hope it's ~220eur like 12500. or under 250. I can get 250eur I paid for 10700f back no problem. If I can get 13500 for selling 10700f and reuse my b-die ddr4, I'm buying it for sure. only a fool wouldn't.

In my case it's a lot of work to replace CPU+Main with custom watercool setup 😛, upgrading just the CPU is a very tempting factor of AM5.

Trying to OC a CPU that OC by default is a bit meh. 10 years ago you could squeeze meaningful performance out of any CPU, depending on how lucky you were. Today is meaningless trying to do that when both Intel and AMD are pushing for their hardware to do that for yourself and beat scores. I personally like to undervolt and see less temperature, power consumption and noise for a negligible loss in performance.

nizzen:

Not everyone is a noob like you 🙂

Not every game likes overclocks 😉 Game A might run stable while game B gives u a bsod thats why i never overclock while playing videogames it ruines the experience.

I’ve been gaming for over 30 years and I’m yet to run into a game that would BSOD because of a stable overclock. An unstable overclock - sure, many times. But a stable one? Nope. Not saying there aren’t any, just finding it hard to believe.

Witcher29:

Not every game likes overclocks 😉 Game A might run stable while game B gives u a bsod thats why i never overclock while playing videogames it ruines the experience.

You are wrong again 🙂 Guess it's impossible for you to know....

nizzen:

You are wrong again 🙂 Guess it's impossible for you to know....

He is not wrong at all, there are many setups that run perfectly well in some games and crash in others. Again and again you post these broad statements like you know everything and like your setup fits everybody else setup and settings, for good measure you often sprinkle a little insult on top.

TLD LARS:

He is not wrong at all, there are many setups that run perfectly well in some games and crash in others. Again and again you post these broad statements like you know everything and like your setup fits everybody else setup and settings, for good measure you often sprinkle a little insult on top.

If it crashes in some games, the overclock isn't stable. I'm right as usual 😉

I've had 1600 cl8 @ 2133 cl9 then 4133 c19 at 4133 c16 and everything has been fine, maybe you're not setting vcsaa or vccio. correctly. if it's stable it's stable. crashes / freezes are part of the process of getting it 100% stable.