Ryzen 9 7950X allegedly 40% faster than 5950X in CPU-Z Multi-Threaded

#6045679

nizzen

2022-08-26 19:53

Too fast for gurus 😛 Can't wait to overclock it!

#6045687

Kool64

2022-08-26 20:49

so it matches the 13900k supposedly. This probably means that the ST prowess of the cores isn't as good as Intel but they probably win on MT efficiency.

#6045688

Kaarme

2022-08-26 20:50

The next gen reviews ought to be interesting with this level of performance from both parties. I fear the prices won't be interesting, but luckily I've no need to upgrade my CPU yet.

#6045695

tikimotel

2022-08-26 21:12

hmm with curve optimizer (-30) and decent AIO the logged "default" CPU-z scores for a 5900x seem a bit low... https://valid.x86.fr/bench/7zm5gq/1 677 single 10054 multi

#6045699

cucaulay malkin

2022-08-26 21:39

Kool64:

so it matches the 13900k supposedly. This probably means that the ST prowess of the cores isn't as good as Intel but they probably win on MT efficiency.

rpl-s p-cores must be amazing if with only 8 of them and the rest of those slow ones they can match a beast like 7950x maybe they upgraded e-cores too,they certainly doubled the cache. nice, cause even the entry level 13400 is getting them now.

#6045706

JamesSneed

2022-08-26 22:42

Kool64:

so it matches the 13900k supposedly. This probably means that the ST prowess of the cores isn't as good as Intel but they probably win on MT efficiency.

So in summary this rumor shows AMD's rumored upcoming chip matches the rumored performance of Intel's rumored upcoming chip. So lets draw some conclusions off of that data.

#6045718

Papusan

2022-08-26 23:59

JamesSneed:

So in summary this rumor shows AMD's rumored upcoming chip matches the rumored performance of Intel's rumored upcoming chip. So lets draw some conclusions off of that data.

If Intel match around same performance (13900K vs 7950X), then what price point will AMD land for 7950X ? The rumored +800$ ?

#6045720

Kool64

2022-08-27 00:03

JamesSneed:

So in summary this rumor shows AMD's rumored upcoming chip matches the rumored performance of Intel's rumored upcoming chip. So lets draw some conclusions off of that data.

Does allegedly work better for you?

#6045726

asturur

2022-08-27 00:35

tty8k:

I believe the 13k P cores perform better than ZEN 4 cores. Now imagine if they were on smaller node like AMD is, would probably be 50% faster (just estimating) I saw the latency was also improved on the 13k P cores vs 12k P cores. And there was also this which makes me think AMD is squeezing this series at max, while as you saw Intel has plenty of room for OC left:

There wasn't much to overclock in any amd ryzen release. Also not sure how plenty this OC is in the 13th serie on standard AIO liquid setups

#6045730

user1

2022-08-27 01:16

If it can do that while staying under 175w tdp, then it will be no contest, because there will likely be a fair bit of headroom if its anything like the 5950x.

#6045734

user1

2022-08-27 02:04

tty8k:

I have my doubts about 175W, it reached over 90C on a 360 AIO all cores at 5.2GHz, that in theory should be more than 175W.h Deepcool ls720 used so quite decent.

the transistor density is alot higher with 5nm, which means that heat (per mm^2) is more of an issue, so if a 5950x hits 65-70c stock with a 360 aio, 90c isnt that far off especially if its avx heavy i wouldnt be surprised if thermal limitations end up being more important than available power , with the upcoming products from intel and amd.

#6045740

JamesSneed

2022-08-27 02:56

Kool64:

Does allegedly work better for you?

No.

#6045742

Kool64

2022-08-27 03:08

JamesSneed:

No.

ok

#6045805

suty455

2022-08-27 11:36

I would be much more interested in how much power these chips are using, we have seen with the 12 series that intel needs a lot of Watts to hit its targets if they improved efficiency on the 13s then we should see a real tit for tat at last with Intel and AMD, I would be especially interested when AMD rolls out the x3d versions to see what they can do especially if they manage to keep the frequency above 5ghz

#6045885

nizzen

2022-08-27 14:08

asturur:

There wasn't much to overclock in any amd ryzen release. Also not sure how plenty this OC is in the 13th serie on standard AIO liquid setups

In 2022 we run cpu @ "stock" and tweaking the RAM to the max 😀 That's how we are getting maximum fps in games 😉

#6045887

Horus-Anhur

2022-08-27 14:15

nizzen:

In 2022 we run cpu @ "stock" and tweaking the RAM to the max 😀 That's how we are getting maximum fps in games 😉

In 1999, I had a K6-III 450 and despite not knowing much, I decided to try to tighten the timings on my SDR kit. I don't remember much of what I did. Bit I remember that I got close to a 25% performance increase in MDK2. At the time, caches were relatively slow and small, the K6 even had the L3 outside the CPU. So tweaking memory gave good results.

#6045894

bobnewels

2022-08-27 15:07

tty8k:

I wish I could find a reason to upgrade the cpu, I'm more interested in the motherboard/chipset itself. https://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/core_i5_12600k_processor_review,23.html Not even ram doesn't bring anything to the table. The entire upgrade for a fast 13k series plus fast DDR5 and decent mobo costs 1000e and it's like overclocking my video card from 1900 to 1950MHz. Lol

Wait are you telling the gurus on the site that buying $700 CPU $1500 GPU $1500 worth the water cooling and tweaking your ram to play games at 720P/1080P does not bring anything to the table for you. You must be one of those crazy people like me that plays PC games at 4K and memory also does nothing for me ,whew I thought I was missing out on something reading some post from people on the forums.I am glad I am not alone.

#6045896

Krizby

2022-08-27 15:27

bobnewels:

Wait are you telling the gurus on the site that buying $700 CPU $1500 GPU $1500 worth the water cooling and tweaking your ram to play games at 720P/1080P does not bring anything to the table for you. You must be one of those crazy people like me that plays PC games at 4K and memory also does nothing for me ,whew I thought I was missing out on something reading some post from people on the forums.I am glad I am not alone.

I play competitive games at 4K Low settings, so basically same as 1080p Ultra

#6045901

nizzen

2022-08-27 16:31

tty8k:

It's not quite the same thing. If you run native 1080p regardless of detail you have 4 times less pixels to process. If you run 1080p your cpu makes a bigger difference while if you run in 4k, even if low details the cpu/ram really doesn't add much, if anything at all. Try to set your cpu 500MHz lower at 4k low settings to see the difference, or tune your ram lower. I tried, it's frack all difference, order of 1-2% max.

Some like to play games at 60fps and some likes to play games at 360 fps. People are different, and thank god for that 😀

#6045902

Krizby

2022-08-27 16:40

tty8k:

It's not quite the same thing. If you run native 1080p regardless of detail you have 4 times less pixels to process. If you run 1080p your cpu makes a bigger difference while if you run in 4k, even if low details the cpu/ram really doesn't add much, if anything at all. Try to set your cpu 500MHz lower at 4k low settings to see the difference, or tune your ram lower. I tried, it's frack all difference, order of 1-2% max.

Actually I got higher FPS with 4K competitive settings vs 1080p Ultra LOL So I would more likely run into CPU/RAM bottleneck at 4K competitive settings than at 1080p Ultra