Godrilla:

Hey there is always rdna5 rumored for 2025. Yeah I'm waiting for 2025 to upgrade my 3.5 year old CX oled 48 inch for dp 2.1 4k 240hz to flood the market in time for Blackwell. I wonder if Nvidia will upgrade Gsync module with dp 2.1 by then .

Will be interesting to see if and how AMD close the RT gap, whether its hardware, software or a combo of the two.

Undying:

And the 5070 with the 128bit bus at only 999€ 😀

Yeah, cause AMD can't compete. Happy New Year everyone !!

pegasus1:

Will be interesting to see if and how AMD close the RT gap, whether its hardware, software or a combo of the two.

Either way AMD needs to get it act together, with Intel taking baby steps eventually the turtle can win the race and what's up with AMD giving free advertisements to Nvidia in their cpu lineup like the 7800X3D. With no gpu crown tech reviewers are forced to use the 4090 to show the the 7800X3D gaming performance to mitigate the gpu busy ( bottleneck). When Zen 5 comes out they risk the same free advertisements for Nvidia.

pegasus1:

Graphics cards seem expensive, until you realise a Starbucks a day is over £1800 a year.

Despite it is not a "real coffee", i would chose the starbuck over the GPU, because without coffee a GPU is useless 🙂

rl66:

Despite it is not a "real coffee", i would chose the starbuck over the GPU, because without coffee a GPU is useless 🙂

I can't drink coffee 🙁 I hate the taste. Energy drinks instead, which aren't good for you.

barbacot:

People who are non smokers always tell me" with the amount of money you throw away on cigarettes you could buy a luxury car in three years" - and I always tell them: so why are you driving your ass in a vw and not a bentley? If you don't spend money on coffee more than sure you will find other purposes from them and you will not putting away money for an expensive card.

Some of us have the self control to save our pennies to afford something in the future.

Maddness:

I can't drink coffee 🙁 I hate the taste. Energy drinks instead, which aren't good for you.

Some are very bad, even those with no sugar have some pretty dodgy ingrediants, saying that i do like a can of Monster Blue every now and again, shame they got rid of the Lo-Cal version, that with some pre-workout was nice.

@pegasus1 short of having diabetes (or similar), drinking low cal/no sugar stuff is worse than anything else. a single 12oz can will increase getting cancer by over 20%, unlike many other ingredients in energy drinks. comparing them, regular rockstar is usually the "best" and has low amounts of sodium.

fry178:

@pegasus1 a single 12oz can will increase getting cancer by over 20%, unlike many other ingredients in energy drinks.

Fake news bud and zero evisance to substantiate this. Be wary of the studies you read, its not what is in the study, its foten what is left out, i have spent over 30 years reading studies on health and nutrition, most are selective with what is released in the findings. A study costs a lot of money, the more in depth it is, the costlier. Studies need funding and invariabley those who provide the funding have an interest in the results if the results favout their interest. Il give you a brief example although not linked to Energy drinks per se. Headline on a Vegan Website. Eating a vegan die leads to greater weight loss than eating meat. The article which was long but regurgitated the same things loosly covered a study using identicle twins of various ethnicities and age groups but same genders, one would follow a vegan diet, the other a meat diet, they were weighed after eight weeks, the vegans had lost more weight than the meat eaters. Ok so all studies are filled in one location PubMed (nih.gov) So i read the entire study, yes the twins that followed a veghan diet lost more weight, but the study failed to track where the weight came from, weight isnt just fat, it covers lean muscle tissue, fluid, bone, connective tissue, inflamation and others. So did the twins lose more weight, yes, was that weight from fat, no, some lean muscle mass was also lost. Also, the subjects in the test were not monitored 24/7, they were sent food (trifector) and advised what to eat, but what they actually ate was not physically monitored. The company who funded this research is involved in guess what, vegan based nutrition, and guess what they didnt go public themselves with the finding, because there is no direct link between avoiding meat and fat loss. So, somebody having cancer who drank Monster is very different from somebody getting cetting cancer from drinking Monster. Im not saying Monster is healthy, but living a ballanced lifestyle is.

fry178:

@pegasus1 comparing them, regular rockstar is usually the "best" and has low amounts of sodium.

Sodium levels on their own are not the issue. Salt Consumption and Myocardial Infarction: Is Limited Salt Intake Beneficial? - PMC (nih.gov) Ive read dozens and dozens of these over the years, remember somebody dieing of Covid is not the same as some dieing who also had Covid.

Afaik any approved artificial sweetener is less cancer-suspect than processed meat by EU rankings, whereas sugar is confirmed pure evil without a doubt. Good thing I like my coffee black. What was the topic again? 😀

Memorian:

Yeah, cause AMD can't compete. Happy New Year everyone !!

No need to exaggerate like that, Nvidia cards are better overall but current AMD cards are also very nice, the problem is that most buyers simply don`t look at them even it they are the better option. For example, right now you can buy a 7900XTX for 1.000€. The closest cards to this are the 4070ti at 895€ and the 4080 at 1.250€. I hope you are not going to tell me that it`s better to buy Nvidia than the 7900XTX in this case...

H83:

No need to exaggerate like that, Nvidia cards are better overall but current AMD cards are also very nice, the problem is that most buyers simply don`t look at them even it they are the better option. For example, right now you can buy a 7900XTX for 1.000€. The closest cards to this are the 4070ti at 895€ and the 4080 at 1.250€. I hope you are not going to tell me that it`s better to buy Nvidia than the 7900XTX in this case...

This is pointless on an internet forum bud, people hate on something out of either jealousy or ignorance. Proper hardware people look beyond the company name and at the specs, performance, cost etc etc. What reputable people on here didnt have AMD during the Athlon days, then Intel with C2D/Quad and now AMD again.

rl66:

Despite it is not a "real coffee", i would chose the starbuck over the GPU, because without coffee a GPU is useless 🙂

GPU prices made my switch from coffee to whisky. You have to get shitfaced first to even being able to consider clicking the "confirm order" button on a GPU that costs 2000€.

Sometimes I'm glad that I'm a 1080p pleb. 9700 + 3080 is still plenty enough for me. I only play Elden Ring, Dota2, and emulators anyway, which are not very demanding.

@pegasus1 i missed "daily" for the consumption, and its not limited to energy drinks. its not a myth nor fake news that long term use of artificial sugar is bad for your health, the facts dont change just because we dont like them. ignoring i never said anything about vegan/meat stuff, nor did i say its healthy (its not, as all vegan family/friends have nutritional deficiencies. never stated anything different, but ppl drinking energy drinks are usually not the ones eating low sodium diet (exceptions arent the rule). @aufkrawall2 sugar isnt the issue, refined/amount is. and i dont need artificial stuff, enough non-refined sugars out there (cane/beet etc). except most in the EU probably still eat more processed meat, than they consume energy drinks. e.g. calculate for yearly amount. btt @H83 i would like to use amd, but not with their install everything packing vs just plain driver, and that i still prefer the Nv version of gameplay recording/buffering. but then again, might have improved since the last amd card i used for a customers build (5xxxx). @pegasus1 yeah, but we (and other forum users) are the minority, compared to almost 2 billion gamers globally. then again, we still have too many ppl with the funds to get xx90 cards, so why would companies "change".

And of course powered via a new 48-pin power connector.

H83:

No need to exaggerate like that, Nvidia cards are better overall but current AMD cards are also very nice, the problem is that most buyers simply don`t look at them even it they are the better option. For example, right now you can buy a 7900XTX for 1.000€. The closest cards to this are the 4070ti at 895€ and the 4080 at 1.250€. I hope you are not going to tell me that it`s better to buy Nvidia than the 7900XTX in this case...

7900xt for a 750€ is the best buy for a high end gpu. I dont see 4070ti super will be even close at that price.

Maddness:

I can't drink coffee 🙁 I hate the taste. Energy drinks instead, which aren't good for you.

True but there are less harmful energy drinks like True North. Its made with organic ingredients, 0 calories, fortified with b vitamins, zinc and doesn't have artificial sweetners, preservatives and colors. Circling back to the topic. Happy New Year, while most were celebrating the holidays and hoping for a better gpu pricing for 2024 the flash market is joining the price hikes and is significantly more expensive today than what it was just a few days ago. With more affordable flash in 2023 it made buying an expensive gpu more palatable. Unfortunately diy is becomore expensive in the near term. Not sure what Black Friday 2024 will have in store for us.

fry178:

@pegasus1 i missed "daily" for the consumption, and its not limited to energy drinks. its not a myth nor fake news that long term use of artificial sugar is bad for your health, the facts dont change just because we dont like them. ignoring i never said anything about vegan/meat stuff, nor did i say its healthy (its not, as all vegan family/friends have nutritional deficiencies. ".

Artificial sweeteners yes they are almost certainly not ideal, facts are yet to be fully established as all testing is only recent, no long term studies yet, short term smoking doesnt produce excessively bad results but longer term, same as alchohol and many recreational drugs. Lest not forget that almost all food sources have some form of sugar, with the exception of fat, all dairy has sugar (if you want to baffle a fake fitness expert, ask them to explain the function of the pancreas). 5090, will i get one? Well lets see if i need one when it comes out, if so my 4090 goes to my lad and il get his (my old) 6900xt back and it will go into my video editing rig to replace the 1080Ti, so happy that modern video production software makes great use of GPU's. My 1080Ti will trhen go on the wall in my PC gaming mancave, a card of legendary status.

So, in the real world it will end up being around 30% faster than the GPU it will supersede whilst probably having a real world cost around 30% higher than the GPU it will supersede. I can't wait.