Fox2232:

What if they got hands on samples of new XBOX/PS and did not like their standing.

They didn't like 2080 levels of performance? It's not like RNDA2 is doing anything radical - it's performance is basically exactly where everyone predicted for a given size.

kings:

Delayed? Maybe, maybe not. These cards never had a release date to begin with. The only thing we have are just rumors based on more rumors.

Yep. This rumor sounded very odd and unprofessional to begin with. Like somebody made it up. I doubt any major tech corp would be planning some release date during very uncertain times where things could be derailed by unfolding events.

Fox2232:

Wrong question asked. It is not about what AMD is delivering, but about what nVidia is. What manufacturing process. How many transistors. At what power draw. When you have plans for for 10nm and competitor delivers 7nm EUV, where they can get higher clock at lower power draw and make GPU with 50% more transistors (which they do not even need) to be competitive... When RDNA1 proved to be about equal in performance at same clock and same transistor count as RTX, nVidia had "Advantage" in making much bigger GPUs. They lost clock advantage as that was about equal. Now you have RDNA2 with similar leap in performance improvement per clock as did RDNA1 over GCN. And you already know that they are going to clock quite high. Because clock which PS5 uses is under minimum stable clock for all chips. Take mere 15% improved general IPC and 10% higher sustained clock. That's 26% higher performance which one can expect from GPU "sized" as 10,3B RX 5700 XT. That's RTX 2080 S right there with conservative expectation. Moment we get power draw numbers, it will start to hint actual sustainable clock within reasonable TDP. Best case scenario is 2080Ti performance with 30% fewer transistors. I am sure that nVidia took Samsung's 10nm because it was power efficient, cost efficient and clocked well. AMD may not have clock advantage, or it may be quite small. But there is still going to be higher performance at same clock and same transistor budget. Then there is quite some chance, that COVID panic made people slow down HW upgrade cycle. And nVidia has figured out that they need to sell more RTX cards before they are going to be smashed by both AMD and themselves.

They don't have plans for 10nm with their main GPUs - even the original 10nm rumor stated it was both companies. Nvidia has been telling both investors and media ,TSMC and 7nm. Stop using rumors when the company is saying the opposite. Stop using rumors at all - this is why I hate rumors. People forget what's rumor and what's real like two months after the rumor is posted. Also AMD isn't using 7nm EUV for RDNA2. The rest of this post - idk.. the 15% improved IPC is just a guess on your part - maybe it's true but then you're just ignoring any potential gains Nvidia has with Ampere. I'm not even sure you're right about RDNA1 being equal (I know you're wrong for FP16/INT8/INT4). Everyone knew what the Xbox Series X performance was going to be - Microsoft stated for over two years now they wanted double the Xbox One X aka 12tflops. RDNA1 has been on the market for a year. There was multiple posts on Guru3D putting two and two together and speculating the performance. You're telling me Nvidia's engineers - with decades of experience, with the spec/engineering samples/etc on 7nm from TSMC, and a guess that AMD would improve anything over RDNA1, they couldn't do what you just did? They needed the console to see it? And now you're telling me they are delaying their launch a few months - to do what exactly? The rumor was Nvidia was going to announce their cards at GDC - launch sometime after. So at best, if this rumor is even true, they delayed their cards by a couple months. It's not enough time to do anything, even if somehow RDNA2 surprised them. (I highly doubt it did, it didn't surprise me, it didn't surprise you, I doubt it surprised Nvidia). The economy across the world is garbage right now. I'm not spending any money, no one I know is spending any money - most people I know don't even have jobs. The pandemic is 100% why they delayed the cards, if they even did delay them.

amd has been on a smaller process before and still lost. its less about the process size and more what you're doing with it. but i'm 100% in the camp where Ampere is on 7nm EUV.

Khronikos:

Yeah, there is literally no way in hell any major exclusives for PS5 will see a release on PC within 2 years even. I'd say people are looking at possibly a 3-5 year window and only for certain ones if they really need the PS5 to rev up. MLB needed to go for overall sales, and Dreams probably should too for sales and growth. Horizon will be around 3.5 years when it comes. They are not going to even approach harming their brand for sure. It's honestly good MLB comes over. That game needs mods.

Time of 2yrs wait isn't a problem at all. However, I think you're under-estimating the financial burden that's pushed Sony to do it in the first place. By the time PS5 comes out the world is going to be a different place than in the PS4 generation. Sony is going to need to change their business strategy, the writing is already on the wall. You're going to be surprised what happens.

Stormyandcold:

PS4 exclusives on/coming to PC; Street Fighter 5 Horizon Zero Dawn Detroit: Become Human The Last Remnant: Remastered Death Stranding Nier: Automata Hellblade: Senua's Sacrifice Yakuza 0/Kiwami/Kiwami 2 MLB: The Show (latest one) Final Fantasy VII: Remake ---------------------------------------------------- Dreams (rumoured as next after HZD) There's actually loads of PS4 exclusives that are on PC, I just pulled a few of the bigger names out. As for the expected PS5 exclusives situation, I don't think you've been keeping-up with what's happening. Sony is taking a leaf from Microsoft and will be releasing more of their in-house exclusives on PC. This is due to the high costs involved in making these games. Porting to PC is the perfect way for them to recoup some of the costs, while also expanding their audience. We also know that for the first 2yrs after launch, PS5 exclusives will be few and far between and more likely to also be available on PS4. This is well reported on already. Knowing this, I'd be amazed if you got even 2 true exclusives a year on PS5 in the first 2yrs (and of those 4 games, I'd bet on 2 of them being sequels). Most 3rd party exclusives will likely be timed and ported to PC like it has been for a while now. Don't be surprised if Spiderman comes to PC and Spiderman 2 a timed 1st party exclusive. Loss-leader exclusives have helped Sony/PS4 become the console market leader, but, it's becoming too expensive to sustain. On the otherhand, there's also PS Now if anyone wants to play PS games on PC, so, PC will continue to have many options available.

You forgot what PS4 exclusive is? Only Horizon was PS4 exclusive, the rest were released on windows the same day.

Fediuld:

You forgot what PS4 exclusive is? Only Horizon was PS4 exclusive, the rest were released on windows the same day.

This isn't youtube-land. Do some research before posting.

I just wanna connect my C9 OLED to a graphics card that has a HDMI 2.1 socket so i can finally switch my settings to 4K 120hz in beautiful 4:4:4 HDR. Club3D and Realtek were supposed to be releasing a Displayport 1.4 to HDMI 2.1 adapter but they keep on pushing back the release date. At this rate Nvidia will get there first and there will be no need for the adapter.

alanm:

Yep. This rumor sounded very odd and unprofessional to begin with. Like somebody made it up. I doubt any major tech corp would be planning some release date during very uncertain times where things could be derailed by unfolding events.

The only reason I could see for NVidia delaying a launch, would be if the launch was planned months in advance..... In this case, the launch would have had to have been planned before COVID-19 started infecting people in China. I doubt NVidia plans product launches quite that far ahead, so I don't see a launch delay at all. And if we look back at the RTX launch, it was what? August/September? Seems that time frame would probably work out best for a product launch with all of the "back to school" sales for people in the US.

Fox2232:

What if they got hands on samples of new XBOX/PS and did not like their standing.

There's no reason for NVidia to get their hands on samples of the new XBox or PS, since they're not involved in the development of either console nor any software that will run on either console.

I keep looking at prices for RTX 2060 Super, RX 5700XT, RTX 2070 Super .... but unfortunately none of them are enticing enough to replace my GTX 1080. Both 2060 S and 5700 XT are "somewhat" cheaper, but they barely beat GTX 1080 by a few percent in most older games, and only really new games with engines designed for the new tech show 20%+ better performance. 2070 S is indeed faster in all areas, so it is an actual upgrade, but the cheapest here is 520 Euro, with the large majority of models over 550. It feels like a lot of money for not a that much extra performance (best case scenario 40%). --- All that while the "-80" class GeForce cards are way out of my "acceptable" price range... So really hoping the new gen comes this year with better performance/$, because my "old" 1080 is starting to get physically tired (noisy VRMs and not so good anymore fans). If it breaks completely before 3000 series or new Navi, I'll have to buy one of these overpriced cards that exist now... :-(