Sentenced:

Yes, that was obviously an overstatement but the last moves by AMD (this and the fact that they didn't give a $hit about doing something about hash rates - even ostensibly) were very disappointing...

I believe it was for the best not to do anything . Do you think Nvidia did it for the gamers if they could sell only gaming cards that can only game mining cards that would be paperweights if they are not put to mine would be The ideal thing to happen sell in insane prices hardware to miners and when the bubble burst no flood of cards in the second hand market .... It happen twice already in 2016 and 2018 ... And with the whole Luna thing it seems we are at the start of the major 3rd crash. No corporation is your friend they will try to extract every single penny they can out of your pocket giving you as less as possible !

Venix:

No corporation is your friend they will try to extract every single penny they can out of your pocket giving you as less as possible !

If they are a monopoly or an oligopoly firm, to some extend yes. Even then, they may be shooting themselves in the foot by doing this. Even more when their market share is already terrible (15.02% Steam. April 22)

Not the GeForce GTX 1630 but the ARC will be a hot topic today at the local computer show, because it is something that the people here can realistically afford and identify with. It’s good to finally see for the man on the street that a third major contestant is now entering the world GPU market. Naturally only super ‘cash-rich’ INTEL was able to do this and with their seemingly infinite resources. There is an old saying about the golden rule: “He who has the gold makes the rule." That is also what one of our companies owners keeps on repeating to all of us and that we are lucky to have a job in these uncertain times. Most of the show people here are like me and who are trying to stay ahead with mainly hobbled together hardware from 2-3 generations ago. I am very happily still running a used 980ti, but with possible job-overtime in the yard now eyeing a massive upgrade to a RTX 2080. The boys from Bangladesh across the folding tables tell me to be patient as in a few months time a previously owned 2080 may be had for around $120 or less with no sales tax and by paying cash another 5% discount. Looking forward to be playing Wolfenstein and Fallout 4 with about 10 more FPS! Perhaps by then STEAM may be offering Metro Exodus at a cool $10 or with EPIC free to grab? Meanwhile of course my extra 'hardware money' is being spent at the pump in LA. But then filling up my tank completely remains something I have only done in my previous life!

Tom Sunday:

Not the GeForce GTX 1630 but the ARC will be a hot topic today at the local computer show, because it is something that the people here can realistically afford and identify with.

People can realistically afford a GPU that hasn't even been released yet??? That actually has no set price, only rumored prices?

sykozis:

People can realistically afford a GPU that hasn't even been released yet??? That actually has no set price, only rumored prices?

Fusion power is always 30 years away and Intel discrete graphics cards are always 3 months away.

Sentenced:

PCIe 4 x4 (6400 & 6500) is actually an atrocious decision just where it is needed more (old computers).

Yeah that was an odd choice. The 4X on a old PC will be on a gen 3 or maybe even a gen 2 interface. On gen 3, 4X is equivalent to gen 1 X16 and on gen 2, 4X is equivalent to gen 1 X8. If you are going to make a PCIe powered half height card, X16 is kind of a mandatory feature due to the ancient systems they will be installed on.

Horus-Anhur:

nVidia seems very serious in challenging AMD for the worst card in 2022.

If it has x16 PCIe lanes, or maybe even x8, it will automatically be the better product.

Sentenced:

Yes, that was obviously an overstatement but the last moves by AMD (this and the fact that they didn't give a $hit about doing something about hash rates - even ostensibly) were very disappointing...

Asking AMD to do something about hash rates is pointless. For one thing, not everyone mines on Windows, and AMD's drivers for Linux and BSD are open-source. So, it would be relatively effortless to bypass. But as Nvidia has proven, miners find a way around any attempts for closed-source Windows drivers too. Miners are going to hack their way through regardless. AMD is just going to lose money by resisting.

schmidtbag:

If it has x16 PCIe lanes, or maybe even x8, it will automatically be the better product.

But it's only Gen3. And you are ignoring all it's other failings.

Horus-Anhur:

But it's only Gen3. And you are ignoring all it's other failings.

AMD had one of 3 choices to make the 6400 better: lower the price, more VRAM, or more PCIe bandwidth. The 1630 appears to have somewhat similar specs and will probably have a very similar price. Since x16 3.0 lanes are better than x4 4.0 lanes, the 1630 has the potential to be the more sensible GPU to buy, if it includes x16 lanes. It's a low-end model, so, it's not like it needs the latest and greatest of anything. So, what exactly do you think I'm ignoring?

schmidtbag:

AMD had one of 3 choices to make the 6400 better: lower the price, more VRAM, or more PCIe bandwidth. The 1630 appears to have somewhat similar specs and will probably have a very similar price. Since x16 3.0 lanes are better than x4 4.0 lanes, the 1630 has the potential to be the more sensible GPU to buy, if it includes x16 lanes. It's a low-end model, so, it's not like it needs the latest and greatest of anything. So, what exactly do you think I'm ignoring?

You are ignoring the specs of the 1630.

Horus-Anhur:

You are ignoring the specs of the 1630.

What about them do you think I'm ignoring?

schmidtbag:

What about them do you think I'm ignoring?

Well, the 1630 is significantly less powerful than the RX 6400.

Horus-Anhur:

It's actually a thought fight for the bottom. The 1630 has a TDP of 75W. The 6400 has a TDP of 53W. The 1630 has 1.8 TFLOPs. The 6400 has 3.6 TFLOPs Both have 4GB of vram. The 1630 has a memory bandwidth of 96Gb/s. The 6400 has 128.0 GB/s. But the 1630 has better delta color compression. I don't know how many PCI-e lanes the 1630 will have. But it only supports PCIe Gen3. And I also don't know the price of the 1630. AMD might have to release the RX 6300, if they want to maintain the crown for the shittiest card of 2022.

okay,but where is the msrp ? by the same logic 3060ti is shittier than 6950xt well,no wonder

cucaulay malkin:

okay,but where is the msrp ?

That's the wild card. Let's wait and see what nVidia plays.

Horus-Anhur:

That's the wild card. Let's wait and see what nVidia plays.

then why are you even comparing cards if there could be 30-40-50% price difference between them. I thought you were the best at objective criteria.

cucaulay malkin:

then why are you even comparing cards if there could be 30-40-50% price difference between them.

Remember this news is almost 2 weeks old. At the time we were talking about which one would be the worst card of 2022. Then, just like now, we only know about the specs. And that's what the jokes were about. Re-read my post carefully, and you'll see that I'm talking about the things we know and don't know about these cards. And one of the things I stated as an incognita, was the price. At the time , you clearly understood my joke about the race to the bottom. You even gave it a like. For some reason, schmidtbag, today decided to quote an old post of mine. And we were just talking about that.

Horus-Anhur:

Remember this news is almost 2 weeks old. At the time we were talking about which one would be the worst card of 2022. Then, just like now, we only know about the specs. And that's what the jokes were about. Re-read my post carefully, and you'll see that I'm talking about the things we know and don't know about these cards. And one of the things I stated as an incognita, was the price. At the time , you clearly understood my joke about the race to the bottom. You even gave it a like. For some reason, schmidtbag, today decided to quote an old post of mine. And we were just talking about that.

yeah but still doesn't make sense to compare them tflops vs tflops if it turns out there's a price gap me liking a funny expression cause it's funny has nothing to do with it no doubt it's a shit card but is it a competitor to 6400, is my question

cucaulay malkin:

yeah but still doesn't make sense to compare them tflops vs tflops if it turns out there's a price gap me liking a funny expression cause it's funny has nothing to do with it no doubt it's a crap card but is it a competitor to 6400, is my question

Mate, there is no real comparison. Just speculation about who would win. It's a joke post I made half a month ago, about how AMD and nVidia are releasing bad cards. it's not gospel. Please stop trying to read too much into it. Especially when there are several incognitas.

Horus-Anhur:

Mate, there is no real comparison. Just speculation about who would win. It's a joke post I made half a month ago, about how AMD and nVidia are releasing bad cards. it's not gospel. Please stop trying to read too much into it. Especially when there are several incognitas.

sorry I didn't know comparin specs counts as joke it's hard to tell it is, you have to admit. it is the crappiest though,if you count the tflops. i'm just used to saying things in context. 6800 is the worst card in the high end.by specs.but it's actually one of the best,really.

cucaulay malkin:

sorry I didn't know comparin specs counts as joke it's hard to tell it is, you have to admit. it is the crappiest though,if you count the tflops. i'm just used to saying things in context. 6800 is the worst card in the high end.by specs.but it's actually one of the best,really.

Come on man. A couple of weeks ago you thought it was funny. You even took a couple of jabs at it.