So just as i predicted 4 months ago then by taking the 9900K core from benches with the average clock speed which matched the Intel show cased from power consumption and the clock speed it would be running in all core turbo then comparing to the 2700X adding average 13% IPC well i said 4.4GHz so i am 100MHz off. However what i am interested in in the 2 core max frequency.

Diminishing returns!!!!

I can see 5.2 on 2 cores being a possibility for the new high end Zen2. Zen2+ is looking very competitive. Low power usage, high clocks and plenty of cores for under £300. I want one already. 6-12 or 8-16 is the question. We'll see....

15% IPC increase means AMD has a real winner with ZEN2! It also means Intel is going to lose their performance crown after a very lengthy rein...

15% IPC is more than twice what intel has managed to produce in the last half decade, very skeptical

It's possible, Ryzen design is still maturing and going through some changes.

Intels IPC advantage is around 5%. Their main advantage is in outright clock speed and has been for some time.

Key word " samples " = meaning they are lower clocked than Full retail chips. Samples clocking already at 4.5Ghz points to the right direction for AMD 😉 add 15% ipc and we have a real winner right there 🙂 , price accordingly around $329 US Dollars a 8 core 16 thread will be a real competitor to Intel 9900K $550 US dollars 8 cores 16 threads chip for or more less the same performance. Good for everybody , we all winners here as competition brings lower prices and innovation !

I believe it when I'm benchmarking it myself 😉 Going to upgrade my TR 1950x anyway to TR gen 3 .

Jagman:

Intels IPC advantage is around 5%. Their main advantage is in outright clock speed and has been for some time.

What we want right now, is performance of 2700x + 15% ipc with frequence of 5Ghz +, and support for 4400+ mhz memory

karma777police:

So it will still be slightly slower than 9900k. 9900k over 2700k has more than 15% of IPC.

9900k doesn't have an IPC advantage over 2700x. Sure, in some areas it does, and some areas it doesn't, and some areas they are equal. This is called, equal, as nothing is ever "exactly the same" What the 9900k DOES have over the 2700x is clock 9900k = 3.5Ghz base, 5Ghz 2-core boost, 4.7Ghz 8-core boost and i believe a 4.4 All-Core Boost 2700x = 3.7Ghz base, 4.3ish 2-core boost, 4.2ish 8-core boost and 4.1ish all-core boost If the 2700x could match the boost frequencies of the 9900k, they would be very similar in performance, as again, their IPC is very similar. Yes, there would be areas where one would win out over the other, again, this is normal, nothing can do everything exactly the same being different architectures. Yes, there are likely some scenarios where one wins out significantly. Remember, GPUs do this as well. So lets say this rumor is true, 15% IPC with 4.5Ghz, like above stated, that'd be similar to 5.175Ghz Zen+, which would be similar to 5.175Ghz 9900k. We don't know if this is a base speed or not. Usually from what i have seen, rumors come out with base speeds, so that leads me to believe that, it's possible 4.5Ghz will be base. But lets say its not, lets go with worse case scenario, if this rumor is true, and the all-core boost is 4.5Ghz, remember, the 9900k is 4.4Ghz all-core boost, and doesn't have the advantage of a 15% IPC improvement. Obviously, all of this is rumor, and we need to wait till its release, but please, stop spreading misinformation around, as your statement that the 9900k has 15% more IPC then 2700x, is purely wrong. 9900k has a FREQUENCY advantage over the 2700x, and IF Zen 2 were to even MATCH that frequency advantage with the rumors 15% IPC increase, it will not be "slightly slower than a 9900k" Even if you believe that the 9900k intel has a 5% IPC advantage over the 2700x, which i wouldn't say is untrue, in some circumstances, as again, it's IPC increase between architectures, especially competing companies architectures, is circumstantial, a 15% overall average IPC increase from Zen+ to Zen 2 with similar clock speeds to the 9900k would not be "slightly slower than a 9900k" Get your facts straight.

EspHack:

15% IPC is more than twice what intel has managed to produce in the last half decade, very skeptical

Yeah i'm skeptical too. Of course the IPC could be taking the increased clock speed into account meaning at 4.5Ghz the CPU can complete more cycles per second(I do realize that isn't the spirit of saying 15% better IPC but you never know with leaks). Will have to wait and see how this pans out.

nizzen:

What we want right now, is performance of 2700x + 15% ipc with frequence of 5Ghz +, and support for 4400+ mhz memory

I can't disagree with that, how sweet that would be.. 😀

I don't believe these news, but I do believe AMD is aiming for the laptop market more than ever with 7 nm. It is hard not to raise the power consumption level when you up clocks, even with 7 nm. People usually forget that bumbing clock speeds for total of 8 cores or more is totally different than raise clocks for dual core or quad core. I expect IPC gain of ~3 %, which is impressive I would say for the expected price. These are very impressive chips overall and we will likely see the first affordable twelve core chip too, but not for laptops though. Eight cores is possible for laptops.

GamerNerves:

I don't believe these news, but I do believe AMD is aiming for the laptop market more than ever with 7 nm. It is hard to not raise the power consumption level when you up clocks, even with 7 nm. People usually forget that bumbing clock speeds for total of 8 cores or more is totally different than raise clocks for dual core or quad core. I expect IPC gain of ~3 %, which is impressive I would say for the expected price. These are very impressive chips overall and we will likely see the first affordable twelve core chip too, but not for laptops though. Eight cores is possible for laptops.

Not saying you are wrong, because who knows until they are released. However, AMD i believe have publically stated that the IPC, not clock, increase and surpassed their expectations, and if their expectations were less then 3%, that'd be pretty sad. Remember, zen is brand new unlike intels architecture, meaning there is generally a lot of room for improvement on brand new architectures. You don't get it perfect, or near it, the first time.

EspHack:

15% IPC is more than twice what intel has managed to produce in the last half decade, very skeptical

Bulldozer to Piledriver had a pretty decent IPC upgrade, I can believe it. AMD is really good on tuning their core technology.

When the Intel core architecture first came out newer gens provided decent gains but once they pushed it to the max IPC gains were only 2-3% and they have technically been flat for the last 3 gens besides pushing clock speeds. Zen was a conservative release and Zen+ had slight tweaks. Zen 2 i can see doing 13% with some heavy tweaking on the IO controller and reduced latency core communication more tweaking on memory sub timings by default. Zen is quite scalable/tweakable they also have way slower L1/2/3 cache and higher latency than Intel so tweaks can be applied there also along with improve data prediction. There is alot of things they can do to get that 13-15% AMD is taking Intels approach of tick tock. I am still sceptical of clock speeds however seeing how Zen has slowly been coming along in that department.

It would be so great if all the rumors/leaks end up being true. I have no doubt that it will be good though.

It´s BRILHANT what AMD has been doing last years! This prove that ALL is transient! Zen2 will be my next setup after a very long time, and I am very proud to give my money to the best option today in the marketing talking about cost x performance (perhaps now the both terms in the top). Skeptical people and Intel fanboys are doubt one more time, but AMD will bring the TOP CPU performance at ALL (games and data) because the Zen tecnology is very MATURE... and the jump of 12nm to 7 will be very powerful. IF... the ZEN2 runs with ALL CORES at 5.0GHZ with DDR4 4000MHZ (with good latency) the Darkness time is already planted there! Congratulations AMD and good fortune to the blue side... they will really need!

BS unless it can do 6Ghz iam not buying it! Joking aside I was expecting something Huge from Amd zen2 but even with these ipc improvements I would still rather have a 9900k. Zen is way cheeper I give em that much less then half price.