Fox2232:

But real world is driven by supply and demand. => Very high demand. => High prices.

Oh come on, u know better than this..... the world is driven by the 2% who control 60% of the supply chains and have a great influence in the demand. But even if u don't see the above statement as I do, u will have to agree that a duopoly doesn't respond to demand and supply """rules""" (don't take my word for it, go check any book on capitalism theory/math). Oh u mean miners, yeah that was the turning point. But I don't think it has to be with supply and demand but rather NVidia/AMD realized the greater profitability of the paragraph below, the miner's craze just "forced" them into this level of prices at the same time, working as an implicit agreement to "keep" them. (not that would be hard for any of them to raise the phone and call the other.... aren't the CEOs actually related or something?? xD) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- It isn't about what "customers" as a whole are willing to pay. It is simply more profitable to sell the new cards for 1k (I dare to say at 75% profit margin) to the 10% of the global population that can afford them and leave old tech to the rest (that isn't terrible cheap either considering the new console generation will move up the avg performance needed for games)

thesebastian:

If the 6700 or 6700 XT have VRM on the right side and NXZT Kraken G12 support them, then I'll upgrade to this GPU instead of the RX 6800 (or RTX 3070) and not because of the price. Current 2020 GPUs don't seem to support this. My priority is to upgrade my GTX1080 without sacrificing silence. (my current gpu does 19.2 db(A) in full load and I don't want to increase this noise). Second priority is max TDP and price of the card.

I'm also a quiet nut. I have been hoping to see some reviews of 6800 or 6800 XT's with the quiet driver mode on. Especially the beafy cards like the red devil etc.

Fox2232:

If forges could get more GPUs out, they would make proportionally more money. But they are at their capacity. There is no artificial shortage. nVidia did not have to reduce pricing and people would still buy out everything. AMD would follow nVidia's pricing same way as they did follow it.

Updated my previous post a little probably while u were typing. I'm talking about MSRP, forge capacity and actual/real demand (which none of us know) affect prices only starting from the MSRP price the duopoly sets at their desired profitability point. And MSRP almost never goes down with time. U can get lower than msrp prices sometimes on really old tech or special offers but that's it. The card from this topic has not even been announced, it probably won't be available earlier than feb/march. I really hope for AMD to sell this for 250 and make me look like a stupid but I really doubt it.

this card will be a winner. the change in process and uArch will lead to + 20% - ish performance jump, with 12gb vram you can run any game at max eye candy 1080p and pretty well at 1440p.... which is where the lions share of the market still is. Nvidia is going to go with (imho) an Ampere( or 8nm variant) 1660ti refresh which would save a lot of money and cost Nvidia very little

Halulam:

.. Ok so here one for you, it's just silly and completely compulsive to buy a GPU only for gaming in 2020, a console is a way wiser choice even for those who aren't deprived money wise. ...

I disagree, with a console the games are ridiculously priced less you wait a year, with a pc if you want you got free games free movies free music basically the world at your fingertips, how does that compare to someone broke with a controller in their hand? That someone could do online surveys and earn some money for a new gpu with their pc.

tunejunky:

this card will be a winner. the change in process and uArch will lead to + 20% - ish performance jump, with 12gb vram you can run any game at max eye candy 1080p and pretty well at 1440p.... which is where the lions share of the market still is. Nvidia is going to go with (imho) an Ampere( or 8nm variant) 1660ti refresh which would save a lot of money and cost Nvidia very little

3060ti and 6700xt it will be a good midrange battle between the two. Again amd card more vram and nvidia card better raytracing performance and dlss. By then im sure amd will have super resolution to even the odds.

buhehe:

I am not a businessman, but a concerned customer too - I'm still on my R9 290 / 4690K, running for over 6 years... but at the same time I can't ignore how the markets work. There's a ton of demand and low supply, so price will go up. It sucks but it's the way it is. Besides, we're not talking about necessities such as food, water, medicines that we consider a right that, therefore, must be accessible to all. AMD and Nvidia's aim is solely to generate more profit and make shareholders happy. They never cared about us in the first place. When they claim to do things "for gamers" is to create fanboyism and feed the hivemind.

Common ground. Same feeling bro. Same. Although my upgrade path should be a little less complex than yours as i am using x470 board. But u and me both have similarly performing gfx card. Mine is 980ti Even though i get pretty bad itches of upgrade every now and then, the urge is being strongly mitigated by the things that u have just mentioned . May be at the end of 2021 i might get some upgrades.

It will be REALLY interesting what happens in laptops. Will highly improved perf/W be enough for AMD to penetrate the Nvidia's fortress which is mobile? Will branding and ecosystem be enough to hold the barbarians at the gate 😀