Would have hoped for Epic getting trough with this, since Apple's policy also hurts the niche market when it comes to supervised app additions for people with special needs. Unfortunately we can't give Apple the middle-finger since there are no alternatives.

To me Apple shall first change they'r policy. Why do I need to buy thing through, why does they need to know how I spend my money. And if I develope a game why can't I pay for it to only be show on your store, and the rest is up to me. And finaly, why can't I install apps from outside without Jailbrake. To me Apple is a joke, people are still whit them because this is how psychology works (in poor country it show status, and in rich country it is normal to buy only from recognized companies). Still to go for the game engine is a cheap move (maybe they want it for them). Epic is not a nice company but what Apple did is cheap. But more and more it seems to be a normal for US company's that are adopting Trumps and his policy. Where they are the bigest and most important in the world. to bad for other company's in US that are not like them.

Mineria:

Would have hoped for Epic getting trough with this

The lawsuit hasn't ended Mineria, this is a preliminary ruling that precedes full court proceedings and all it would have entailed is maintaining or forcing a reversing of the removal until the lawsuit reaches its conclusion. Now it moves onto the full suite, where Epic will state its case, amongst others also with a similar axe to grind.

nicugoalkeper:

To me Apple is a joke, people are still whit them because this is how psychology works (in poor country it show status, and in rich country it is normal to buy only from recognized companies).

Not completely true though, a lot of people care about ease of use, you would be surprised seeing how hard it can be for some people switching to another OS, or just remembering something as simple like 2 users accounts and their passwords for that sake. And again, some niche market apps are not even available on other eco systems nor are any alternatives, which again forces some to stick with Apple even if they would love to use more affordable solutions.

It's Apple's store to do as they please, period, in regards to Fortnite being allowed or not. Pulling support / banning support for entire game engines would be / could be construed as malicious if the terms weren't violated on the app being pulled (e.g. pulling Epic's ability to service Unreal engine for it's customers - again not for itself, but for customers; merely because of the Fortnite store issues with violating terms). Now, if they have a clause that pulls the plug on the entire developer's account - then Epic needs to make it so another company name (even though it's still Epic) does the servicing of Unreal Engine vs deploying Fortnite, so that issues with one do not mess up the other. Apple is in the clear if the clause is present, and sadly, it usually is. It's just a shame to see what happens when the company feels like it's being unfairly given a disadvantage due to it's attempt at cost-cutting, when it wastes countless digits of money on bribing game studios for exclusive store access. So really, since I am one of the guys who couldn't dare be bothered by tech when I am out - any old phone will do especially if it doesn't ever ring... Since I have no time for Apple and no part in the "constant ADHD smart-phone zombies", and wouldn't even use their products over another company's product if it was free, I don't have much of an opinion here. I still don't know why folks could be so sheltered they could walk down a city street thinking they are safe ignoring their surroundings glued to a telephone...with headphones on to boot! They wander right into cross walks like that. Also do not care for EPIC constantly pulling shady moves like bribing developer studios for exclusivity - especially if done at the last minute like Metro Exodus (and I still haven't bought or played that because of it). Where I come from though, things are much more laid back out in the country, where an iPhone has no social status benefits. In-fact you're more likely to look like a fool / hipster or be made fun of for walking around with your face glued into it, not paying an ounce of attention to one's surroundings. When you're 40 or so years old or older, a phone is a phone, as long as it works. Anything more than that is just saying 'I am foolish with my money, just part of the herd' (if you need it for work / your work paid for it that's another story). Of course, I only go out and buy a 10~20$ phone just to have someone/ a means to call triple-A if the car decides to act up (not that it's going to, it's a Corolla). There are people out there who live so outside their means that they need to have a payment plan to pay not only for a car, but for a handheld computer too (not to mention other medium-price items like appliances or furniture, WHY?). Try saving up your money to buy these things, Live within your means. I tell them, you pay a lot less for it that way, vs obligations to contracts / plans that you can't often cancel for a month if things get tight (causing them to have little money in the first place). Though I couldn't fault a family who can only live check to check, and goes to Rent-A-Center for a fridge in the middle of the week out of pure necessity (though it's expensive there, try having a household without a fridge, that is definitely tougher than without a smart phone). It's not up to apple to please everyone, they have a product, that's it. Take it or leave it. If you don't like it, buy something else. Take a chance on that Android with not nearly as sheltered as an ecosystem. I dunno, sorry for the rant... but I digress, a lot of folks would be better off saving money and buying any half-capable device at a good deal, provided it does what you need it to (not want, but NEED). --Cheers!

bobblunderton:

It's Apple's store to do as they please, period, in regards to Fortnite being allowed or not.

Thats not how any of this works.

Astyanax:

Thats not how any of this works.

Don't take this personally, any of it, it is but plain conversation (it's meant to be constructive somehow, not destructive, please bare with me here). Well, while Epic can contest unfair competition and what-not, it's still Apple's store, they own it. So it's a hard line to walk, where does ownership / proprietership end and the free market begin? Epic has a case with them not allowing their own store for 'fair competition' though. That'd be like Coke or Pepsi as a vendor in a grocery store chain not wanting to give the store it's cut for shelf space / square footage used to make sales such as 'specials' / 'shippers' / 'end-caps' etc. The vendor comes in with the merchandise and stocks the shelves, and takes the orders for what they need for the next business day. They get paid for what sold, after the store gets a cut of it to pay the cashiers, store bills, systems etc. They must AGREE on terms or there is no deal. If they cannot agree and don't make the deal, the store doesn't sell the product. The vendor would be free to go with OTHER stores, and the consumer is legally allowed to have a choice to go to other stores by not using Apple products. It's their product and their rules, and if you want Fortnite or other Unreal engine stuff on the iFruit errr iPhone you have to make a sacrifice, either lose the phone in favor of one with a more open policy with their store, or do without. It's up to the government and court systems to see if free market has a leg to stand on here, though, but I wouldn't hold your breath for it. So maybe I am the wrong person to voice an opinion... [spoiler] I wouldn't touch an Apple device even if you paid me (except, if I could sell it for whatever cash value it had, I'd take it, sell it, and take the money and stick it in tech stocks). Was raised here as type to just get a whatever-brand phone to make phone calls and the occasional text (very rare), always hated being bothered by it when out and about. Tech should be left at home short of a basic phone in favor of conversations with real people when you're out (isn't that how it's supposed to be?). But enough of sounding conceited (sorry) ... People having a phone specifically for a status symbol or to be part of the 'in' crowd, or to 'look' artificially wealthy (and hence they really are not, people get wealthy by being smart with money!), I just for the life of me cannot understand... but then again I was raised to not have a mortgage or car payment either if possible (which I do not, I live within or even below my means) so maybe some folks just weren't raised to, or otherwise don't live like this. Maybe some folks truly need one for whatever reason, but most could be just as fine with a half-price phone from another manufacturer, and be able to play the games they like and do what they want with their device. I get having a family and needing a phone for emergencies, that's real, but the games, that's a luxury, that's a first-world-problem. Where I live in this third world Murica country, we don't even have broadband other than really slow DSL and satellite - be happy for what you DO have! Buy a different brand non-Apple phone, or do without! Vote with your dollar, which will do a lot more to help your cause. [/spoiler] I hope I haven't rubbed anyone the wrong way, I didn't mean to. I don't want to put off anyone, but I had no other way to word the majority of this. I guess by the time iPhones became a thing I was too old to be bothered. Most y'all have a PC at home if there is a want to game, use that, it's way better I promise. Isn't TETRIS good enough anymore??? What's wrong with the Tetris game anyway? Go play Tetris, or better yet, Tetris Attack!

Can't both on these bilion dollar douchebags somehow lose this?

emperorsfist:

Can't both on these bilion dollar douchebags somehow lose this?

well yeah they could. The folk who play Fortnite stop paying for V bucks because Epic is treating them like fodder to be thrown at Apple and at the same time those who play Fortnite on Apple devices opt never to buy another Apple device. The issue though is this is another modern social weaponization of fan anger against a cause. You'll have an awful lot of very vocal people but when it comes to having the spine to never buy or support either of these two morally bankrupt scumbag companies again you'll find that all these fans have is words.