Review: Shadow of the Tomb Raider perf review update: RTX & DLSS

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#5651729
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First thing everyone should do when starting the game - make sure those 2 settings are disabled. Dxr barely makes a difference visually, but tanks the fps by more than half, and dlss just makes everything super blurry. Imo dxr and dlss is a borderline class action lawsuit case...
#5651744
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I have been waiting for this can almost start playing the game pretty sure it will need another patch
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Redemption80:

How is additional options a class action lawsuit? Even if only a minority can use them now, it has to start somewhere. PC gamers are becoming so backwards nowadays.
Because it has been used as the main selling point for the 2000 series gpus, and fact is that it runs and looks so bad that no one ought to use it. Especially dlss is decidedly a scam... they claim that 4k with dlss looks as good as native 4k, but the reality is that it looks like what it is... upscaling from 1440p. And the sad part is that the performance boost is only equivalent to upscaling from 1800p.
#5651749
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useless its just marketing shit
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zainag:

Do you even have an RTX card? Have you actually played an RTX enabled game like Metro Exodus with the latest patch? If you play at 1440p DLSS (like I have) you're gonna have a hard time telling the difference in quality. The only way you'll know DLSS is working is that you're gonna see 20-25% boost on your framerates which is pretty damn nice. Also, who is forcing people to by NVIDIA RTX cards with gross misinformation that you think a class action is warranted?
No, i don't buy anything based on nvidia's empty promises - i do have a functioning brain after all. But i don't need to own one to see the difference it makes to clarity in games... it's a blurry mess with DLSS. REMOVED VIDEOS
#5651761
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Yeah, that's a poor implementation of ray tracing. A few shadows around the kids, the woman doesn't have much light on her, and some extra light on the floor.
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Jayp:

Ray tracing in Metro makes a pretty significant difference in lighting. Yea it comes at a cost but I play it fine with a 2080 Ti QHD and it looks amazing. DLSS doesn't just make everything blurry. It could be better but in Metro it keeps things close to you looking much the same while distance objects could use some help. When you're actually playing the game and not looking for differences DLSS in Metro isn't all that bad. It certainly needs to get better though. I really think you are just following some things you read or watched and are regurgitating it. How are DXR and DLSS even close to borderline class action lawsuit? They do what they claim to do. Just because it's not what you want doesn't mean there are any grounds for lawsuit.
You do realize that you would get better performance aswell as better visuals by just setting render res to 80% and disabling DLSS? That says something about how badly it works.
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Redemption80:

Again, it's backwards thinking claiming additional options are a bad thing. This is just another example of modern thinking. I don't like something, therefore no-one else should and it should be banned.
Dlss is false advertising, simple as that. They claim that it looks as good as native 4k, it doesn't. It looks like upscaling from 1440p, like it is, and only performs like upscaling from 1800p. In other words anyone buying the 2000 series for dlss (which has been nvidias main selling point together with dxr) has been misslead. They are better off just using traditional upscaling.
#5651772
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I think DLSS is very promising but raytracing on the other hand is not a game changer yet it tanks frame rate like it was. dlss is not false advertising because it isn't pure upscale mechanism, it does much more than that there were some parts of the game (metro exo) not touched by dlss when it was ON, the way it is reducing pixels is not upscale, there were of course some parts of the "stairs" pixels make but not often and could improve with a driver update - just more samples. https://imgur.com/download/uk017SB unfinished state of that shows us spiders web not filtered properly just upscaled
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Raider0001:

I think DLSS is very promising but raytracing on the other hand is not a game changer yet it tanks frame rate like it was. dlss is not false advertising because it isn't pure upscale mechanism, it does much more than that there were some parts of the game (metro exo) not touched by dlss when it was ON, the way it is reducing pixels is not upscale, there were of course some parts of the "stairs" pixels make but not often and could improve with a driver update - just more samples.
You guys keep blabbing about metro, i haven't once mentioned that game. The videos doing comparisons i linked are done in bf5, which is working as intended and looks BAD.
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Dragam1337:

You guys keep blabbing about metro, i haven't once mentioned that game. The videos doing comparisons i linked are done in bf5, which is working as intended and looks BAD.
Okay we get it - you hate DLSS and RTX based on a game that this thread isn't about. How many posts are you going to make about it being a scam and whatnot?
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Redemption80:

Again, it's an optional extra and the people i know with RTX cards are quite enthusiastic about they know it's not quite a simple as just upscaling. Let's just wait and see if any lawsuits appear, seems unlikely when we've had things like DX12 etc.. over the years.
It might not be as simple as traditional upscaling, but that doesn't really matter when the end result is worse than that, both in regards to visuals and performance.
Denial:

Okay we get it - you hate DLSS and RTX based on a game that this thread isn't about. How many posts are you going to make about it being a scam and whatnot?
As many as i please.
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Dragam1337:

As many as i please.
Yeah, I'm glad that instead of discussing the positive/negative effects and performance of RTX/DLSS in this particular title, we're now discussing previous unrelated ones (but not metro apparently because it doesn't fit the narrative) all because you have an agenda. Like the fact that the reddit thread has more meaningful discussion on the technical implementation of this than Guru3D is sad. Least when @Fox2232 posts he actually contributes meaningful data and/or points. Coming in here and being like "LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO# CLASS ACTION! - TURN IT OFF HALF FPS!!!1!" is just annoying. All it does is serve exactly what it did - derail the thread into flamebaiting nonsense.
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Denial:

Yeah, I'm glad that instead of discussing the positive/negative effects and performance of RTX/DLSS in this particular title, we're now discussing previous unrelated ones (but not metro apparently because it doesn't fit the narrative) all because you have an agenda. Like the fact that the reddit thread has more meaningful discussion on the technical implementation of this than Guru3D is sad. Least when @Fox2232 posts he actually contributes meaningful data and/or points. Coming in here and being like "LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO# CLASS ACTION! - TURN IT OFF HALF FPS!!!1!" is just annoying. All it does is serve exactly what it did - derail the thread into flamebaiting nonsense.
Look, you're welcome to post w/e you want to, i'm not stopping you from doing that. I posted my opinion about the tech being implemented into the game - don't like it? Then just ignore it. You aren't forced to neither read nor reply to it.
#5651807
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For the money and performance drop RTX simply isnt worth it. I agree with the comments about DLSS as well. If the silicon used for both were put to better use we might be loving the 20xx series cards. But they are a no buy and no recommend, especially when cards are still failing.
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Dragam1337:

First thing everyone should do when starting the game - make sure those 2 settings are disabled. Dxr barely makes a difference visually, but tanks the fps by more than half, and dlss just makes everything super blurry. Imo dxr and dlss is a borderline class action lawsuit case...
Cool story bro, nice to have your unneeded useless opinion, you can move along now and never post again What you care about and don't care about doesn't mean squat to what others care about and don't care about.
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Aura89:

Cool story bro, nice to have your unneeded useless opinion, you can move along now and never post again What you care about and don't care about doesn't mean squat to what others care about and don't care about.
Right back at you "bro".
#5651822
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Dear God....Where the hell did all the shadows go LOL? Man that is some shady misdirection. DXR gives people their shadows back after shadows are turned off in game...and all for a less than unnecessary performance loss of way to much!
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robbo247:

whats going too be the argument next as April drivers are going too include RTX and Dlss too run on 10 series cards...interesting how this ones going too pan out...
You mean apart from around 10x better performance on RTX series of cards? Give me a minute, I'll try to come up with a better argument for RTX because you clearly need one.

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