Fediuld:

OVER 800, requiring a 1300W platinum to be safe as even 1000W PSU might struggle. And that energy is transferred to heat in the room. And while we are OK in the winter, in the summer having a 800W+ heater in your home going to be a problem.

Plug in a second 850W (or even 1kW?) PSU for GPU only + together with an appropriate power mod you are good to go..., can switch off your room heating in winter easily.... EU has plans to cool block of flats with server waste heat from huge data centers ahhh naahh, this is why Intel and Nvidia (sorry, and AMD?) releasing their new products just before winter time not because of Christmas.....it is for heating....(at least in northern hemisphere)

jose2016:

Considering the consumption, the ryzen 5800x3d is still a very good option for games. It only remains for them to lower the price to be the king.

They have dropped the price of the normal 5800x so maybe this will follow, then again its probably stealing sales from the 7*** series as it is.

tty8k:

At 4k I'm afraid neither this or even next gen will make too much difference, until we get 4k 240Hz screens. Let me give you an example. In Forza 5 using 4k Ultra settings (no RT) my intel 9900k is able to compute 175fps and the 6900XT is able to render 125fps. Basically, until I get a video card that will render much more than 175fps at those settings, CPU won't make too much difference. And as if this wasn't enough, here is the main problem, my frames are capped at 140fps (144Hz monitor) so basically, I don't have any use for a CPU that will compute more than that. There are minor improvements from a faster cpu due to cache, latency, memory etc that help with the frame transport between cpu and videocard, there is where you see those tiny fps gains.

+1 I expressed in the past that people in here act like only the top gaming CPU can game .... Really pretty much almost any CPU released from 2016 and after can do that Ryzen 1 and 7xxx Intel CPUs most likely stay on the 60-75 Hz category but it really boils down what GPU you can afford or how much you are willing to spend on a GPU being able to afford and how much you are willing to spend on something are rarely in par ! For example I am no mlg gamer I am fine with 1440p /60 , my old trusty Ryzen 1600 did the job with elden ring the most demanding thing I played recently sure I tweaked setting including a lot of medium cause of my aging GTX 1060 .....I would love a 3060ti but when I played that it was 600+ euros .... And to date is 450 ..... If I want I can go and grab the card now but he'll I am not paying 450 for a xx60 card 2 years after release now 250-300 I might snatch one ..... And if a 4060 by some miracle come out at 400 I will most likely snatch that ! Anyway what I want to say is as far you do not care to move the sliders all the way to the right no matter what ...lower tier cards than the xx80 and xx90 will provide you with great gaming experience and when you hover on that tier of cards the range of CPUs that they will perform pretty much identical is huge .

Venix:

+1 I expressed in the past that people in here act like only the top gaming CPU can game .... .

Ha ha ha totally agree, like the game you played two days ago on a 5800X3D suddenly runs slower because somebody has released a newer CPU.

pegasus1:

Ha ha ha totally agree, like the game you played two days ago on a 5800X3D suddenly runs slower because somebody has released a newer CPU.

Nothing was made obsolete. Just when buying new if one needs there are better options. My 5950x will do fine for a long time until a GPU can actually reach 240fps at my chosen resolution of 5120*1440

People are acting this way because this forum isn't a standard audience. Most of us are either enthusiasts or retired enthusiasts, who are used to upgrading every generation, even if it doesn't make much sense. It's a hobby and an addiction. Fortunately I've mellowed out since my i7 extreme-edition 3-way SLI days.

mackintosh:

People are acting this way because this forum isn't a standard audience. Most of us are either enthusiasts or retired enthusiasts, who are used to upgrading every generation, even if it doesn't make much sense. It's a hobby and an addiction. Fortunately I've mellowed out since my i7 extreme-edition 3-way SLI days.

True but times are different, people's priorities are different, certainly in the UK as we went from Brexit to Covid and now Ukraine. Releasing expensive and power hungry hardware five or 10 years ago wouldn't have seen the same economical situation. Also, i think maybe and this is just speculation and personal experience, there are more game enthusiasts than hardware enthusiasts nowadays. Years ago there were loads of posts on scratch builds, custom cooling solutions, serious hardware and case mods. Many now have grown into this hobby with pre-made and off the shelf solutions. Nobody is using a pond pump and car radiatior to make a WCing system when cards come fitted with an AIO.

Ryu5uzaku:

Nothing was made obsolete. Just when buying new if one needs there are better options.

Now the dust is settling, the options are pretty obvious. Upgrade everything and go either the AMD or Intel complete DDR5 route. Upgrade just the MOBO and CPU and go the Intel DDR4 route. Upgrade your current gen AMD or Intel CPU/RAM and go the save some cash route. For me i hung back to see what both AMD and Intel would offer, hoping to see something like we saw with the C2D or original Intel Quads, but it didnt happen. So i went route three and il wait what the 7900XT looks like.

pegasus1:

Now the dust is settling, the options are pretty obvious. Upgrade everything and go either the AMD or Intel complete DDR5 route. Upgrade just the MOBO and CPU and go the Intel DDR4 route. Upgrade your current gen AMD or Intel CPU/RAM and go the save some cash route. For me i hung back to see what both AMD and Intel would offer, hoping to see something like we saw with the C2D or original Intel Quads, but it didnt happen. So i went route three and il wait what the 7900XT looks like.

I am actually interested in seeing 7900XT also maybe upgrading as I have huge resolution.

mackintosh:

People are acting this way because this forum isn't a standard audience. Most of us are either enthusiasts or retired enthusiasts, who are used to upgrading every generation, even if it doesn't make much sense. It's a hobby and an addiction. Fortunately I've mellowed out since my i7 extreme-edition 3-way SLI days.

I have way more money now days than I used to have. But I don't feel the point of upgrading so often and then appreciate the long lasting platforms. I had x370 with 1800 - 3900x and even the 5900x but then I wanted m.2 pcie4 so got myself x570 motherboard but else everything basically was unchanged from the first build.

I want a cpu that compile Unreal Engine 5 in less than 15minutes, instead of my 5900X 45minutes. Doubt neither 7950X or 13900k can achieve that.

Ryu5uzaku:

I have way more money now days than I used to have. But I don't feel the point of upgrading so often and then appreciate the long lasting platforms. I had x370 with 1800 - 3900x and even the 5900x but then I wanted m.2 pcie4 so got myself x570 motherboard but else everything basically was unchanged from the first build.

Me also, single with no mortgage or loans, kids have left and i have a good job. but i aint buying a system that at 4K is no better than i already have. Ref the 7900XT, i already run a 6900XT but if the 7900xt is close to a 4090 i might go with eoither/or depending on availability.e

I was always on a budget on my late teens and a bit farther .... I could never afford the top models so I picked the habit of targeting vfm ..... Now I can afford a lot more but I am way more picky .... If anything I got worse on this department 😛

Denial:

If it was me upgrading and my system was that old I'd just wait and do DDR5. DDR5 isn't that much more expensive than DDR4 and at least you can carry it through multiple platforms. Like if you buy DDR5 + AM5 and a current 7000 series or wait for X3D 7K series you have a clear upgrade path for the next 3-4 years.. let's say 9000 series comes out 4 years from now and is sick good, you just drop it in. You won't get that buying DDR4 now or buying Intel now.

I got you! - Admit it: you are Lisa Su in disguise posting on guru3D!:p Jesus man - you talked like one of those sales man that comes to my door trying to sell me a future proof vacuum cleaner... On topic: After all the rumors the real results are somehow disappointing for me...no reason to drop THE 5950X for now....

barbacot:

I got you! - Admit it: you are Lisa Su in disguise posting on guru3D!:p Jesus man - you talked like one of those sales man that comes to my door trying to sell me a future proof vacuum cleaner... On topic: After all the rumors the real results are somehow disappointing for me...no reason to drop THE 5950X for now....

He is not wrong tho...

There is something missing here I think from the "gaming" tests which I think might be interesting... Since the CPUs scaling is most extreme at low end ie 1080P resolution... And people like me game at 2560x1440 resolution but with DLSS Quality setting.... which actually renders the frames at 1920 x 1080 resolution... I would like to see if 2560x1440 with DLSS Quality frame-rates are also increase frame-rates similarly to basic 1920 x 1080 resolution is.

XenthorX:

I want a cpu that compile Unreal Engine 5 in less than 15minutes, instead of my 5900X 45minutes. Doubt neither 7950X or 13900k can achieve that.

Yeah, you're talking about production work, I know people who don't even go the thread ripper route and just use 2 - 3 16-core computers using swarm. The reason being is they can OC the CPUs higher than you can a TR. I have switched from CPU baking to GPU baking and that has made a huge difference. They need to make compiling GPU base :P now that will be a life changer just like GPU baking is.

Venix:

I was always on a budget on my late teens and a bit farther .... I could never afford the top models so I picked the habit of targeting vfm ..... Now I can afford a lot more but I am way pickier.... If anything I got worse on this department 😛

If you put it this way as well though is that the tech ain't a big difference. Compared to when it was coming out early 2000s, we had huge jumps and now it's not much at all. The 4090 is a good card but its not 80% faster, without dlss its like 30-50% depending on the game. Which is still nice but is it justifiable? Lower your settings a little bit and you can get the same fps with a 3090. Nowadays games look great at medium/high. A steady 100fps in a single player will do me at 4k. Hell, early years of my life I was spending 10,000s on computer parts. Now I look at it and think what a waste but back then GPUs did not cost $3600... lol Rocking 2900xt in crossfire while bro had 8800gtx in sli.. we upgraded every year and now here we are with CPU's that are 2-3 even 5 years old. haha

tty8k:

Just be aware that anything you gain above you fps/monitor cap rate from the CPU is not much use. For example if I play with 1080p fsr/dlss now and I buy a 13900k, sure there will be compute difference from 200 to 300fps but as long as my frame cap is stuck at 144 fps/Hz I'm more dependent on the video card to deliver than than the CPU.

Look at the 0.01% and 0.1% lows...that ceiling should be lifted. Hence for pro gamers, they run at 1080P with the fastest CPU because their MIN FPS is very HIGH! Assuming no stutter...

pegasus1:

The 4090 is a good card but its not 80% faster, without dlss its like 30-50% depending on the game.

lol,30%