Meh - seems okay but the leaked benchies made it seem like more. Rather wait for 7000 X3D. AMD should have launched with it honestly.
Intel I guess cheaper option for now but as I wrote in the other thread.. the TCCO is much lower on AMD if you plan on upgrading in the future.
I still think AMD is the better option for most people.
@Hilbert Hagedoorn Given that most of the arguments on Guru3D are that Intel is a cheaper option due to DDR4 support. Could you run a couple benches with DDR4 to see the difference in performance?
Edit: Hilbert posted below:https://www.guru3d.com/articles-pages/msi-mag-z790-tomahawk-(ddr4)-review,1.html
Given the performance loss on DDR4
Isn't the 5800X3D the better "budget" play for most people?
Haha... it got the number 1 spot by how many FPS and clocks 100 -300 MHZ higher than 7700K to 7950K? 😀
Need to see a full PBO tuned 7700K with the same DDR5-6000CL30 or better ram or drop the CPU into Z690 DDR4-4000CL18 setup to compare.
The winner is really the 13600KF!!! or 12600KF on a DDR4 platform.
The winner is really the 13600KF!!! or 12600KF on a DDR4 platform.
Depending on the resolution, we're even talking about a 12400... but yeah, I guess that's the value option right there, seems to be the cheapest "new" setup.
@Hilbert Hagedoorn Given that most of the arguments on Guru3D are that Intel is a cheaper option due to DDR4 support. Could you run a couple benches with DDR4 to see the difference in performance?
The amount of L2 cache, holy crap ! There's an order of magnitude difference in access speed between L2 and L3, insane.
150$ less than 7950X, less heat, and you can use DDR4, homerun for Intel .
The amount of L2 cache, holy crap ! There's an order of magnitude difference in access speed between L2 and L3, insane.
And it's 100$ less than 7950X, AND i can use DDR4, that's sick.
DDR4 is way lower performance though:
Seems like 5800X3D might be the play.
The thing is you can plan upgrading over time, you don't have to spend right now on DDR5 while prices are high.
I feel like DDR is really cheap right now? I can get like 32GB of it at pretty fast speeds/CL for $200.
I think if you're going DDR5, AMD is the play - you buy AM5 now and you can just drop subsequent upgrades for the next few generations in. If you're not going DDR5 and sticking with DDR4, I still think AMD is the play with the 5800X3D unless you have like DDR4 4000 with low latency but I imagine that's few and far between.
Valken:
The DDR4 here is 3600. I guess CL16 or CL18.
IF 4000CL18 Gear 1, it would be way faster...
@nizzen WHERE ARE YOU!?! 😀
Realistically how many people have DDR4 4000 already in their system? I'd imagine most have 3600 or lower. Especially when the argument is like value. If I had all the money in the world then obviously I'd be going Intel and just upgrade every CPU generation with a new motherboard.
Are we going to see some 4090 results for curiosity? The performance is pretty much no surprise and X3D is still giving it a gaming run for it's money.
Are we going to see some 4090 results for curiosity? The performance is pretty much no surprise and X3D is still giving it a gaming run for it's money.
You cherry picked the worst case scenario.
The other games there is no difference.
The difference is less but it's not no difference. Would need to see over a wider range of games.
I'm just saying people were writing off AMD here but in reality the 5800X3D competes with these price/performance on DDR4.
It's ok, but in-socket would be a waste of money, and upgrading to EOL socket is again - a waste of money. Might as well either go Zen 4 or wait for Meteor Lake. CPUs just aren't as exciting as they used to be.
Realistically how many people have DDR4 4000 already in their system? I'd imagine most have 3600 or lower. Especially when the argument is like value. If I had all the money in the world then obviously I'd be going Intel and just upgrade every CPU generation with a new motherboard.
If we go with what you say, then anyone with CL18 DDR4 RAM should just buy the 5800X3D with AM4 MB for better performance than 13600K or near 12900K / 13900K performance.
But there are still peeps like me will look at total budget for new MB, CPU AND RAM for a gaming system even now.
I'm STILL on Haswell!
So I'm gonna look at 13600KF, Z690 MB with GOOD VRMs - no RGB TAX and see if the budget will stretch to DDR4-3800CL14 or DDR4-4000CL18. Whichever is the best bang.
Or I could just go 5800X3D, AM4 and bog standard 3600CL16, maybe even 3200CL16. Depends on the total price.
Both MB platforms are on it's last leg... Its the best of its current MB system or wait for 7x00X3D and see how far that will go,
Awesome review as always @Hilbert Hagedoorn ,on point ! Not great but not bad cpu also. Win some and loose some to the Ryzen 5800X3D. I like it 😀 , it seems a nice uplift from Alder Lake and beats anything Ryzen 7xxx cpu's at gaming. We will see once 7800X3D is release how much faster it will be 🙂 , that's the gaming cpu to look forward to.
The price/performance ratio will win it 13700KF 😉 , as even the 13600k easily beat the Ryzen 7xxx cpu's in gaming ( except the 5800X3D ) and is very , very close in performance to the 13900k , so 13700KF it is for me , since i always disable the slow cores and will use only the 8 P- cores with HT On and overclocked. I have just canceled my 13900k order and bought a 13700KF instead , it is a more sensible upgrade for me.
That 5800X3D is still sooo fast , darn it 😀
If we go with what you say, then anyone with CL18 DDR4 RAM should just buy the 5800X3D with AM4 MB for better performance than 13600K or near 12900K / 13900K performance.
But there are still peeps like me will look at total budget for new MB, CPU AND RAM for a gaming system even now.
I'm STILL on Haswell!
So I'm gonna look at 13600KF, Z690 MB with GOOD VRMs - no RGB TAX and see if the budget will stretch to DDR4-3800CL14 or DDR4-4000CL18. Whichever is the best bang.
Or I could just go 5800X3D, AM4 and bog standard 3600CL16, maybe even 3200CL16. Depends on the total price.
Both MB platforms are on it's last leg... Its the best of its current MB system or wait for 7x00X3D and see how far that will go,
If it was me upgrading and my system was that old I'd just wait and do DDR5. DDR5 isn't that much more expensive than DDR4 and at least you can carry it through multiple platforms. Like if you buy DDR5 + AM5 and a current 7000 series or wait for X3D 7K series you have a clear upgrade path for the next 3-4 years.. let's say 9000 series comes out 4 years from now and is sick good, you just drop it in. You won't get that buying DDR4 now or buying Intel now.
But yeah idk what your budget looks like and I'm not really pricing these things out - just looking at it relatively. I'd rather take something I know is going to be supported for a while, in case I do want to upgrade again, then dropping money into a platform that's already dead. I just know the total cost of ownership of that is going to be cheaper but it may be more upfront.
Seems like 5800X3D might be the play.