those numbers are pathetic this cpu is not worth for gaming.

it depends at what res. you gaming at. At 1920x also a 680SLI/7970 CFX is overkill for most of the games.

So is this better than Phenom II 955BE, or worse in the end of the day?

Very nice! Its good to see AMD's Piledriver right in the top of the mix. While it still isn't the best of the best for gaming, the everyday user performance will shred. It almost makes me wish I held out on my computer upgrade, although I think its clear that even with this performance boost, it isn't worth moving from Bulldozer to Vishera. For someone upgrading from Phenom or previous generation though, I'd definitely go for it!

I think this chip is a step in the right direction for AMD, as I recall they promised around 5-15% performance increase on average and they've delivered that. Anyone who was expecting more obviously wasn't paying attention. Not sure what Steamroller is going bring, Piledriver does quite well in Heavy Multithreaded Apps, so perhaps Steamroller will concentrate a little more on Single Threaded Performance to close the gap on Intel in that regard. I think Steamroller is going to be on the same 32nm process, which means I can't see AMD pushing Clock Frequencies any higher without a lot more serious reductions to TDP which they've already done with this revision of BullDozer. As for gaming, only looking at Hilberts results so far, it performs on a par with 3770K, 3570K in Crysis 2 at 1920*1200 which is the res you would expect the vast majority of people would be running thats buying/bought this chip. So for people to say gaming on it sucks I feel is a little wrong, however I need to check out other benchies to see how its performed. If I had an AM3 board with an 1090T or something I'd probably upgrade to this, if however I was building a complete new system I'd probably wait for Haswell or Steamroller as both AM3 and 1155 are now dead sockets, assuming steamroller uses a different socket can't see AMD sticking with AM3 for 4 Generations of CPU. My biggest gripe with the 8350 is its Power Consumption, man its hungry for juice, so if I had to build a new system right now I'd go with Ivy Bridge purely because it consumes less power, well maybe because it offers a little more performance in other areas, Don't do any heavy multithreaded stuff here 😉 Bring on Steamroller, hopefully it can close the performance gap even further and give Intel something to think about.

This actually doesn't seem like a bad little chip. If I hadn't upgraded already, I'd be considering it right now.

You can get 3 of these chips for one 3770k, thats funny too 😀

Last week I picked up a 3770k at Micro Center. They also offered a $50 off when you buy a motherboard. So I picked up the ASRock z77 Extreme6 mobo. So the CPU came out to be $239 :banana: Now I'm just waiting for newegg to ship the ram so I can put that sucker together. I'm curious about the Steamroller now though. The new fx8350 seems pretty nice. I may put together a Steamroller system for a new HTPC/video stuff.

^ Well said Delta!

I wonder if an overclocked Bulldozer can match a stock speed Vishera, of if that is just a pipe dream? I'd like to see some stuff on that 🙂

Seems better off for professional multimedia production and server related tasks, but tdp is still a little high for my tastes.

Hilbert, out of curiosity, would it be possible to get some figures on F@H performance?

Damn, here they are! http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&DEPA=0&Order=BESTMATCH&N=-1&isNodeId=1&Description=amd+vishera&x=0&y=0 These almost make me wish I would have waited a few months to build my rig. Another $20 could have gotten me the Vishera 6-core. Now I have to wonder if my overclocked Bulldozer could match the Vishera? Eventually I'd like to see a BD vs Vishera performance comparison with overclocks vs stocks and so on to see where the BD would match its younger brother 🙂

Damn, here they are! http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&DEPA=0&Order=BESTMATCH&N=-1&isNodeId=1&Description=amd+vishera&x=0&y=0 These almost make me wish I would have waited a few months to build my rig. Another $20 could have gotten me the Vishera 6-core. Now I have to wonder if my overclocked Bulldozer could match the Vishera? Eventually I'd like to see a BD vs Vishera performance comparison with overclocks vs stocks and so on to see where the BD would match its younger brother 🙂

The price is very tempting...wife looked at me like I'm nuts though. Maybe we couple ask Hilbert nicely and see if it'd be possible for him to compile such results for us? I'm a bit interested to see a direct comparison between the 2 now that you brought it up.

I do like the gains. Now it's decidedly better than Thuban in gaming, though still quite a ways behind Intel's chips. I might upgrade from my 1090t one day, but not today.

That Gflops speed looks kinda low, even my old yorkfiled scores higer with ~ 52Gflops 🙂 Btw sometimes if i got lower Gflops speed then expected it was because of incorect voltage setting (cpu & fsb & north bridge)..

Weak in the sense that it doesn't spit out those monster framerate numbers, sure, but you could hardly say that it's a chip that's actually bad when it comes to gaming (not implying you meant this). Naturally, if gaming is a primary focus this chip isn't worthwhile; otherwise it holds up quite well.

Actually i think people need to think of it this way, if all you do is game @ 60fps and that is all you want, the cpu is perfectly fine, but once you go 120hz or similar sure it fails in comparison. Multi-threading is where ALL PC software needs to go and become. but PC sector seem to be very slow at getting it all to Multi-threading over Brute power. AMD has that right. At some point we gona he wall where the power of 1 cant go no father, and multi-threading is gona become the only choice. And most game to date fail at using all cores correctly. and cause intel still has best power per core intel still wins in most games. It would be interesting to see if Intel is still king once Games actual get coded right to use ALL core Available correctly. Cause Multi threading seem to be much better on AMD side. Atlest this is how i see it I could be wrong for all i know. I never liked AMD CPU, probably never will. But even i am impressed by its multi threading One multi threading is coded right and of load to other core. IMO the performance of the single core/cpu will not mean as much. Again i could be wrong and not know what i talking about, but this is how i see it.

Multi-threading is where ALL PC software needs to go and become. but PC sector seem to be very slow at getting it all to Multi-threading over Brute power. AMD has that right. At some point we gona he wall where the power of 1 cant go no father, and multi-threading is gona become the only choice. And most game to date fail at using all cores correctly. and cause intel still has best power per core intel still wins in most games. It would be interesting to see if Intel is still king once Games actual get coded right to use ALL core Available correctly. Cause Multi threading seem to be much better on AMD side. Atlest this is how i see it I could be wrong for all i know. I never liked AMD CPU, probably never will. But even i am impressed by its multi threading One multi threading is coded right and of load to other core. IMO the performance of the single core/cpu will not mean as much. Again i could be wrong and not know what i talking about, but this is how i see it.

This is the kind of thing I have been saying all along. Multi-threading is the way forward, which is why regardless of "per core performance", I cannot recommend an i3 to anyone. The i3 is already starting to fall behind in anything that makes use of more than a dual core. I think the Bulldozer architecture has major potential, and we will see even more benefit when more software and games take advantage of multi-threading. On another note, I am hearing rumors that Steamroller has been pushed back to 2014. Anyone else have any information on this?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j_aLPjWL9Bk&list=UUOOTpWnJalRc5pt2OlTUHjA&index=1

he didnt say it cant run it, he said it falls behind other cpu's a i3 is not killer cpu but then the COD games dont exactly need a high end computer to run. a athlon 64 x2 with 3 gb and 5770 ati run the game fine with AO and AA/FXAA off and i will to bet if same computer have newer gpu, it would have no issue with those features on. Per core performance is great for games simply cause 99% of all software and games barely use more then 2 cores let alone 4+ and even when they do are just badly optimized. intel wins simple cause it has much better per core performance. where as amd is focused on multi thread. which is where amd is better and if software was programed to use multi cores correctly AMD would give intel a run for there money again. then maybe i could get intel cpu cheaper. Personaly would never use a i3 in any computer of money or i make for some one

Fixed that for you :thumbup:

lol, pretty much.

The card...trust me.:thumbup: http://img443.imageshack.us/img443/1136/53165571.png http://img820.imageshack.us/img820/2820/80530814.png

what program you using to show Cpu usage ingame? and is that fullscreen or windows fullscreen? I been try to find single program that will show CPu usage/Gpu and all that in game. with just one program, and only thing i found that does it is Aida 64 OSD and that only works in windowed games.

Wow this is pretty good much better then Fraps, It would be perfect if it could show CPU Speed,Gpu, Gpu memory Speed and system Ram usage. thanks. This will be replacing Fraps