would love to know how many swapped hw on existing OS install.
mbk1969:
Since it is not a sentence to BSODs like in old days I assume quite many.
my windows 10 are in my drive since 2019 or so .... from ryzen 1600 to ryzen 5800x no issues at all ...although i bet i loose 2-5% perfomance .....but i have a good excuse .... i am REALLY REAAAAAAAAALLY bored to do clean re-install
To consider yourself a computer enthusiast you must be interested in reinstalling Windows on a periodical basis.
Venix:
my windows 10 are in my drive since 2019 or so .... from ryzen 1600 to ryzen 5800x no issues at all ...although i bet i loose 2-5% perfomance .....but i have a good excuse .... i am REALLY REAAAAAAAAALLY bored to do clean re-install
To consider yourself a computer enthusiast you must be interested in reinstalling Windows on a periodical basis.
To consider yourself a computer enthusiast you must be interested in reinstalling Windows on a periodical basis.
To consider yourself a computer enthusiast you must be interested in reinstalling Windows on a periodical basis.
I used to do this on at a very unhealthy rate.... :/
To consider yourself a computer enthusiast you must be interested in reinstalling Windows on a periodical basis.
Why is that ? I do not really loose performance.... And my os if rather free of junk ..... I get no slow downs .... No bsods , why would I want to do a chore I do not need to do ? Oo I did not knew enthusiast means doing chores while you do not need too 😛
CPC_RedDawn:
I used to do this on at a very unhealthy rate.... :/
Windows 98 and XP was an endeavor per 2 weeks to a month... Although at XP was mostly restoring a ghost image with just drivers and programs I was using for sure at the time winamp/ Firefox etc good times 😛
Windows 98 and XP was an endeavor per 2 weeks to a month... Although at XP was mostly restoring a ghost image with just drivers and programs I was using for sure at the time winamp/ Firefox etc good times 😛
It was XP and Vista for me. Always trying to mess around with Vista to improve performance and ended up bricking it or doing something silly the internet promised me would increase performance by 20%!!!! But in reality it was maybe 2% at beast but borked like 20 other things lol :P
Since it is not a sentence to BSODs like in old days I assume quite many.
True, but I would still start with a clean slate. Only time when I don't care is when upgrading ram or maybe a GPU from the same vendor (NVIDIA vs AMD). Though over the years I cut down the effort for a clean install drastically. I'm even at the point where I'm consolidating every tweak I use in a powershell script.
Also a small nifty trick to install Windows really quickly:
unpack windows ISO in a folder on a 2nd SSD or other SSD partition
boot into recovery and then a cmd window
go to the unpacked folder
run setup.exe
Then run the install from there and it's blazingly fast.
It was XP and Vista for me. Always trying to mess around with Vista to improve performance and ended up bricking it or doing something silly the internet promised me would increase performance by 20%!!!! But in reality it was maybe 2% at beast but borked like 20 other things lol 😛
i never even insalled Vista !! i went from Xp to 7 !
my windows 10 are in my drive since 2019 or so .... from ryzen 1600 to ryzen 5800x no issues at all ...although i bet i loose 2-5% perfomance .....but i have a good excuse .... i am REALLY REAAAAAAAAALLY bored to do clean re-install
I used the Win10 installation from i5-6600k on this Ryzen 3700X for a year before bothering to do a clean install. I did some driver cleaning after booting the new PC, but that's it. I used to think my USB problems were due to that, before it turned out it was the famous bios issue, which was later fixed.
It's actually quite remarkable how well Windows these days can cope with huge hardware changes.
all of this because "professional" reviewers and youtubers failed to get that DX11 or older games can't handle more than 8c and actually more like 4c/8t it has always been the case
it was already a problem for me playing competitive fps 10 years ago when I had a 5960x 8c/16t followed by 9900k (same) -> 3960x 24c/48t (way worse) ->5950x 16c/32t (okayish)->12900k (pretty bad as you do not want games to jump to e-cores)
the most annoying thing is that some (not many) notice it, Linus in a threadripper 3000 review said the game process seemed to jump at random threads creating stuttering and a bad experience but decides to leave it like that not trying to fix the problem and completely forgot it for the last 2 years...okay....
most youtubers and reviewers are "media creators" do not use their hardware and don't really care how well it runs, especially since they don't pay for it most of the time
you also have people who's passion is tweaking not using them like Builzoid who's game is overclocking itself
the important part being they aren't real gamers...I am
I don't idle in games those are real hours
CPU AFFINITY GUIDE FOR GAMERS WHO CARE :
- to extract the real gaming performance of your cpu it's mandatory to use cpu affinity in any 8c+ cpu except for DX12 games
- task manager->details->right click on process->set affinity-> uncheck the threads you don't want your game to use
- a good start is to disable hyperthreading, on regular cpus you uncheck all the ODD number threads 1-3-5-7 etc...
- for older games you might want to go even lower and only keep 4t like 0-2-4-6 or try to keep the virtual threads and do 0-1-2-3
- try these as a start but the real way to do it is to setup, and I cannot thank enough the afterburner and rivatuner programmers enough, an overlay showing on screen "cpu/core" but really "thread" % usage
it's not rivatuner here (fps monitor) but you get the idea (my afterburner overlay needs a rebuild, this is a random youtube screenshot)
1) you setup something like this, you leave your game cpu affinity as is, and you study what it does when you play
2) if you use hardware tools like cpu-z or whatever you should already know which cores are you best ones
3) if the game as here clearly isn't DX12 (or Vulkan I believe) count how many "cpu" (those are threads in reality) see high percentages (20+%) then force your game to only use that many "threads" and target specifically your best cores
this random snip from a youtube video with a quick count uses....7 threads (3.5 cores and skips most virtual threads) "what a surprise !" NOT as I said this is common knowledge amongst "real" gamers for at least 11 years 😉 (if you never opened a .ini file you're a filthy casual 😛)
cpu affinity from task manager resets everytime you quit the game, there are ways to force it with launch commands but honestly just buy process lasso where you can save cpu affinity profiles/app
and become an "advanced" user of your computer as this is not only useful for gaming but also to tell OBS not to use your "top gaming" cores if you stream or record videos
CCX2 on amd 5950x worked great for that, e-cores on a 12900k not really they drag the p-cores down for me that's why I criticize the intel design and am going back to amd
the good news is that like in my example above, more and more games now show disabled SMT (intel hyperhtreading) the game skipping half the threads for DX11 or older
P.S.
don't get confused because afterburner and other tools start counting threads (calling them cpu too) at 1 but windows at 0
0 = real core/thread
1 = virtual thread
in electronic you start from 0 and fun fact bin 0 is the open/short fail category when testing a "die" (the industry name for a microchip)
edited many times for mistakes
I remember limiting the number of CPU cores and threads for old games on windows 7, Crazy taxi would run too fast if you didnt limit the number of cores for the game
original and updated statement are the same :V
btw odd or even doesn't matter, there is no such "real and virtual core" on the cpu. you can think like 2 threads running in concurrency on the same piece of hardware (arithmetic pipeeline, I/O resource, cache access etc). OS should map each threads-core in pair, so technically you can select all odd or all even or just mix them like 0-3-4-6 for a quad core with SMT. disabling smt in bios is far more effective for software that doen't like SMT (which is just a matter of cache miss and pipeline usage).
I used the Win10 installation from i5-6600k on this Ryzen 3700X for a year before bothering to do a clean install. I did some driver cleaning after booting the new PC, but that's it. I used to think my USB problems were due to that, before it turned out it was the famous bios issue, which was later fixed.
It's actually quite remarkable how well Windows these days can cope with huge hardware changes.
if i was going from ryzen 1600 to say i712700 i would clean install .....but keeping the same motherboard ..... same gpu same ram ... same everything but the cpu .....so all i did update bios back up all the things i want just in case ...and poped the new cpu other the windows license deactivating and having to activate it again with few clicks everything went smooth .... undervolted it my scores line up with reviews so i called it a day there :P
schmidtbag:
I would argue if you're a computer enthusiast, you don't limit yourself to just Windows.
i tried linux ((ububtu i know most do not like it ...but has a rather noob friendly gui)) while i was doing most of the tasks just fine .... when i had to use marvelous specific games that will not work at all or as well as i wanted i had to restart to windows again ....and again ended up switching back to linux when i was done less frequent as the time pass cause i could do everything in windows .... i might try again but run linux on a vm or something .... or windows on a vm .... as things are i am just looking for the most bother free experience .... i fix a lot of pc's weekly when i open my pc i just want to chill ...hell cable management i do for other pcs is always done very careful as best as i can ... my own computer ...eeeeeeeeehhh all i can say is ...it works ...:P
if i was going from ryzen 1600 to say i712700 i would clean install .....but keeping the same motherboard ..... same gpu same ram ... same everything but the cpu .....so all i did update bios back up all the things i want just in case ...and poped the new cpu other the windows license deactivating and having to activate it again with few clicks everything went smooth .... undervolted it my scores line up with reviews so i called it a day there
Yeah, I'd never recommend to anyone to keep the old installation when doing such a major change. I just had some extra considerations because I wanted to get a new graphics card, get a PCIe 4.0 NVMe SSD as a new system drive (but they were too expensive right off the bat), and replace all the old spinning HDDs with sata SSDs. I wanted to do it all at once, so since the old Win installation still worked, I kept postponing the work. Obviously I still couldn't get a new graphics card in the middle of the mining craze anymore, but I could get a PCIe 4.0 SSD and sata SSDs for a tolerable price, so I went forward with everything else, save the new GPU. Fortunately a new graphics card doesn't require a clean install, so it's not really a critical issue.
I don't idle in games those are real hours CPU AFFINITY GUIDE FOR GAMERS WHO CARE : - to extract the real gaming performance of your cpu it's mandatory to use cpu affinity in any 8c+ cpu except for DX12 games - task manager->details->right click on process->set affinity-> uncheck the threads you don't want your game to use - a good start is to disable hyperthreading, on regular cpus you uncheck all the ODD number threads 1-3-5-7 etc... - for older games you might want to go even lower and only keep 4t like 0-2-4-6 or try to keep the virtual threads and do 0-1-2-3 - try these as a start but the real way to do it is to setup, and I cannot thank enough the afterburner and rivatuner programmers enough, an overlay showing on screen "cpu/core" but really "thread" % usage it's not rivatuner here (fps monitor) but you get the idea (my afterburner overlay needs a rebuild, this is a random youtube screenshot)
1) you setup something like this, you leave your game cpu affinity as is, and you study what it does when you play 2) if you use hardware tools like cpu-z or whatever you should already know which cores are you best ones 3) if the game as here clearly isn't DX12 (or Vulkan I believe) count how many "cpu" (those are threads in reality) see high percentages (20+%) then force your game to only use that many "threads" and target specifically your best cores this random snip from a youtube video with a quick count uses....7 threads (3.5 cores and skips most virtual threads) "what a surprise !" NOT as I said this is common knowledge amongst "real" gamers for at least 11 years 😉 (if you never opened a .ini file you're a filthy casual 😛) cpu affinity from task manager resets everytime you quit the game, there are ways to force it with launch commands but honestly just buy process lasso where you can save cpu affinity profiles/app and become an "advanced" user of your computer as this is not only useful for gaming but also to tell OBS not to use your "top gaming" cores if you stream or record videos CCX2 on amd 5950x worked great for that, e-cores on a 12900k not really they drag the p-cores down for me that's why I criticize the intel design and am going back to amd the good news is that like in my example above, more and more games now show disabled SMT (intel hyperhtreading) the game skipping half the threads for DX11 or older P.S. don't get confused because afterburner and other tools start counting threads (calling them cpu too) at 1 but windows at 0 0 = real core/thread 1 = virtual thread in electronic you start from 0 and fun fact bin 0 is the open/short fail category when testing a "die" (the industry name for a microchip) edited many times for mistakes