Our findings: 12VHPWR power connectors issues likely due to bending to close to the connector (updated)

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AuerX:

Don't be boring, not everyone wants a garden shed for a PC case. Enthusiasts should have options, not just forced in to one form factor. Once the connector issue has been resolved I fully expect to see some 4090's in some very expensive SFX cases. Or maybe we see more AMD around, who knows?
They do have options ... to buy or not to buy this card. People who want a teeny tiny case for a gaming build need to realize there's restrictions.
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Why_Me:

They do have options ... to buy or not to buy this card. People who want a teeny tiny case for a gaming build need to realize there's restrictions.
Oh I realize and work with the restrictions, just dont think a halfassed power connector should be one of them. I'm sure there will be options down the road, always is.
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Thanks for the pictures, the one where the uneven pressure-load on the connectors makes a lot of sense!
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I guess this sh*t happens... nah shouldn't with graphic cards maybe
#6065533
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Well, I am willing to take the risk...Call me crazy but I love the smell of burnt electronics in the morning when I start my pc - I am willing to take the risk just tell me where I can find a MSI 4090 (the one with a radiator). There is a inner battle here: on one hand this is really a dangerous product but on the other: https://i.imgur.com/o5AzcaK.jpg I can't find the damn thing!
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Nvidia must really be putting pressure on all the review sites, every one of them has the exact same mantra "your bending the cables wrong". So that settles it, its not a faulty product its user error. In fact now that I think of it ,this should warrant a product recall its dangerous.
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"Confession 4090 to the Eye of the Sauron: I am the fire, my master...." o_O - > 4090 - secret codename of the Smaug... (unconfirmed - gossip?) [youtube=lHcIfogQQ60] [youtube=8hkmuTvkp_s]
#6065559
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So many electrical engineers in this thread, was there a free course in the last month that made all of you guys electrical engineers? Or is this another case of everyone being a lawyer?
#6065573
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Maybe Nvidia should sell cards to "electrical engineers" only with 10y experience in system building or you have to pass extra engineering lessons at Nvidia school, before they allow you to buy a card. Ahhhhrrrrrrrrrgggg, sorry, no, I am wrong, recent update says: "connector melt in prebuilt PC from CyberPowerPC" !!! Looks like even as a system builder you are trapped. Damage already done, card release is a complete disaster for Nvidia and for me, for us, for all. I planned to wait for the 4090TI, but a 4090TI with dual 4+12VHPWR connections like EVGA´s 3090TI KingPin, looks like a joke right now.
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The Intel design of the connector is fine. Nvidia screwed up by using faulty adapters which their AIBs also followed. The Nv adapter has weak, thinly soldered contact points that easily break off. Igors Labs did an article today on it and Nvidia quickly responded to it: nVIDIA just notified all AIC this morning… All damaged cards need to be sent directly to HQ for failure analysis, this is first time… Even a few years ago when 2080 Ti got issue with Micron, they didn’t do this. The sad truth lies in the plug, not in the form factor. [spoiler]https://www.igorslab.de/wp-content/uploads/2022/10/nVidia1-1320x908.jpg [/spoiler]
#6065584
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pegasus1:

As i said on another post, the reported number is irrelevant as all issues start with a single report. What is import are the most likely course of action and the most significant course of action. If the most significant course of action can happen, it will at some point actually happen. If a single PC catches fire due to this cable then it might as well be all 4090s catching fire as NV will have to not only replace every cable but also conduct some serious product and reputation damage limitation.
Silva:

Obviously if you make the 4090 bigger than the already huge 3090 and put the connector on the hardest spot possible to plug into: crap gonna happen. Unless mounted vertical obviously you can't fit the connector. Meanwhile my RX580 has a 6+2 pcie cable bent 90º to the side for 3 years, still no smoke...
I had a psu for 8 years, a really good super flower one, must have been though 10 cards. I bought a news seasonic early this year cause I found a good deal and noticed some of the issues that Id never think were psu related went away with a new psu. You never know how much the cables are affecting the way your GPU runs. And that was on a single 8-pin card.
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Qi Lin (Nvidia Principal Product Manager) a few days ago, "This connector, all the issues have been fixed and we are very confident in it" Quote at 29.23 [youtube=MxU1AkGNnT0] Qi Lin (Nvidia Principal Product Manager) today, 'Doh!'
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cucaulay malkin:

I had a psu for 8 years, a really good super flower one, must have been though 10 cards. I bought a news seasonic early this year cause I found a good deal and noticed some of the issues that Id never think were psu related went away with a new psu. You never know how much the cables are affecting the way your GPU runs. And that was on a single 8-pin card.
Ive always gone overboard on PSUs, obviously a more powerful PSU running at half capacity is more cost effective and efficient (if all else is equal) than a lower powered one running at 100%. But the last thing i want to do is A replace burnt hardware due to a poor PSU or B have to strip my rig back down to replace a poor PSU. Ive currently got an ASUS ROG Thor 1000W Platinum II running my 6900XT based rig, should be fine for a 7900XT(X).
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In before they "unlaunch" the 4090 and 4080-16 too ;-)
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deusex:

Not sure if you guys already know this....meanwhile, a FIFTH GeForce RTX 4090 owner has come forward on Reddit to report a similar meltdown on his power adapter.... This may become a big issue soon for Nvidia.
Its a big issue already but as just about every hardware Youtuber is now pumping out material on this, either from their own testing or just re-reporting other stuff. Either way and whether or not its as bad as many say, this sint good for NV from a PR perspective.
#6065636
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If you like overclocking just for fun, you already know, good cables/ connectors are a MUST HAVE


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I really don´t want to lecture anyone and I am miles away from teaching anything, just to remember, Mr.Ohm: I=V/R ------ P=V*I

Edit: Sorry, but regarding Igor´s talking: 68°C, I totally disagree with him, almost 70°C connector temperature is very seriously, extremely hot, no I don´t fear melting, but nevertheless, in my eyes a joke...yeah, let´s blame the adapter manufacturer for this disaster, omg Nvidia.... 2.Edit: why not give this one a try: https://www.evga.com/products/product.aspx?pn=600-PL-1648-LR
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Just from my middle school science knowledge, would it make a difference to use copper as the conductor instead of whatever cheap silver metal they are currently using?

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