Clawedge:

Required? If it's required for the story or serves a purpose for story telling, then I understand.

Required means all lighting will be done with RT only, while rasterization being deprecated. Considering the fact that by 2021 both AMD and Intel plans hardware ray tracing acceleration, it's highly possible that 2 years after developers will begin forgetting about rasterization.

slyphnier:

so developer pick easy-way and let less people play/buy their game ? in another mean something like probably cheaper developer cost to allow less game-sales? even with good adoption rate in next 4years, except they can make RT work on old-gpu, making a game for RT-capable gpu only will still cut the sales except the game is sponsored/invested by either nvidia/amd, i dont think any developer will pick that way

You'd have to assume that most gpu wouldn't have RT capability by that time for it to be negative. However, that's not the case. Both PS5 and X2 already have RT capable hardware, so, that rules out any problems with those 2 consoles. The Switch (or next-gen Switch) likely won't be getting that game, so, is irrelevant. This then only leaves the PC market, where by that time RTX/RT cards would've been around for 4 1/2yrs already. If only 10% of the PC market bought that game it would still be successful.

Clawedge:

As long as performance penalty is minimal, I am game

It won't be... ever. Raytracing, especially with true raytracing where the entire scene is raytraced, is SIGNIFICANTLY more demanding than rasterazation. Raytracing will perhaps be better looking and easier to implement for the game developper, but it will come at a drastic performance penalty.

Game studios might eventually make games that demand an RT capable GPU, but AMD/Nvidia can't make a GPU that's only capable of that as people would still want to play all the games in their library/market, including old ones. Sounds like a permanent, obligatory price jump. Conversely, great many studios/Indie devs would keep sticking to the old ways, knowing they remain viable. Just like we still get new DX11 games (even if they have a nominal DX12/Vulkan mode for marketing or whatever purposes).

Denial:

Because it's 500x easier and faster to get good results as opposed to rasterized lighting - especially when the entire scene is utilizing it.

^^ Just in case someone missed it ^^ U currently need, self occlusion maps, shadow mapping (baking), reflection probes, light probes, light priorities, increasingly complex shaders and a bunch of post processing after all that, like ambient occlusion, depth of field, etc REAL ray tracing (not current RTX ON crap) does all of the above and more (volumetric lightning, like clouds) automatically. I think an ad-don card using current sli interfaces would have been a better approach. In some years, once 80% of the market has both cards u can kill the raster gpus and go full RT.

TieSKey:

I think an ad-don card using current sli interfaces would have been a better approach.

no it would not have been.

Astyanax:

thats not what happened, you're viewing the post through your own tainted perception.

Well... Right now i am not the only one, many see that post like that around the world, looking at many website... There is word and way to type ideas... Typing that it will be in 2023 is a fault, NVidia based nearly all the RTX marketing on the argument that it will come sooner (BF5...). Don't mesmerise, i use Quadro 90% of my time at work and won't change of GPU provider, also what he have typed won't change the reality of RT in game, and the fact that 2023 is still far and i hope to see more powerfull GPU in 2023... But if i have posted something like that, i would have marketing director in my office right after the post.

Dragam1337:

I'd buy a GTX 2080 ti at 800 $ in a heartbeat. But the 1400 $ prices being charged for the RTX 2080 ti, due to useless features i will never use...

Why do people keep repeating this nonsense? I could go buy this one right now for $1069. Or this one for $1049. Yeah, there are more expensive versions out there, but to say the 2080 Ti costs $1400 is disingenuous at best.

Andrew LB:

Why do people keep repeating this nonsense? I could go buy this one right now for $1069. Or this one for $1049. Yeah, there are more expensive versions out there, but to say the 2080 Ti costs $1400 is disingenuous at best.

And the world is centered around you, right? Not everyone lives in the same country as you (surprise!) and not all countries have the same prices... In denmark a decent 2080 ti costs roughly 10.000 dkk, which is 1493 USD.

Dragam1337:

And the world is centered around you, right? Not everyone lives in the same country as you (surprise!) and not all countries have the same prices...

The same applies to your statement. You didn't state that it's $1400 in denmark, or "where you live", you stated that the RTX 2080 ti is $1400, which it isn't. The fact it is where you live, is irrelevant, unless you state it as such. No one's going to go to your profile page to see where you are from just to try and figure out what you are talking about. Also, denmark has a law that states prices must include taxes, your VAT, i believe, feel free to correct me if i'm wrong, is 25%. Which means the graphics card does not cost roughly 10,000 DKK, or 1493 USD, it's closer to 7800 DDK, or $1150 USD https://www.komplett.dk/product/1106939/hardware/pc-komponenter/grafikkort/zotac-geforce-rtx-2080-ti-twin-fan# Here's a 2080 ti which is 8715 DDK, or $1292 USD, minus your 25% VAT, that's around $1040 USD, or 7013 DDK. Now before you come back and reply that "I don't care about non-VAT, as i have to pay the VAT", yeah, so does everyone else. When @Andrew LB stated you can find an RTX 2080 ti for $1049, that's BEFORE taxes, as in the USA, they don't include taxes as each state is different, or doesn't charge tax on a per-item bases (those states generally have income tax though so that item is in effect still taxed whatever the income tax took out of whatever dollar amount you spent) Fact is you can't compare taxed prices against non-taxed prices and try and make it look worse for yourself. I will state, 25% tax sucks, it's not generally that high in the USA, but that's your country. Ultimately though my point is this: If you don't want people replying to your statements with information that isn't relevant to you, then instead of stating "But the 1400 $ prices being charged for the RTX 2080 ti, due to useless features i will never use..." state instead "But the 1400 $ (with tax) prices being charged where i live for the RTX 2080 ti, due to useless features i will never use..." That way people will understand you're saying that's the price where YOU live rather then that's the price of the GPU....

Aura89:

The same applies to your statement. You didn't state that it's $1400 in denmark, or "where you live", you stated that the RTX 2080 ti is $1400, which it isn't. The fact it is where you live, is irrelevant, unless you state it as such. No one's going to go to your profile page to see where you are from just to try and figure out what you are talking about. Also, denmark has a law that states prices must include taxes, your VAT, i believe, feel free to correct me if i'm wrong, is 25%. Which means the graphics card does not cost roughly 10,000 DKK, or 1493 USD, it's closer to 7800 DDK, or $1150 USD https://www.komplett.dk/product/1106939/hardware/pc-komponenter/grafikkort/zotac-geforce-rtx-2080-ti-twin-fan# Here's a 2080 ti which is 8715 DDK, or $1292 USD, minus your 25% VAT, that's around $1040 USD, or 7013 DDK. Now before you come back and reply that "I don't care about non-VAT, as i have to pay the VAT", yeah, so does everyone else. When @Andrew LB stated you can find an RTX 2080 ti for $1049, that's BEFORE taxes, as in the USA, they don't include taxes as each state is different, or doesn't charge tax on a per-item bases (those states generally have income tax though so that item is in effect still taxed whatever the income tax took out of whatever dollar amount you spent) Fact is you can't compare taxed prices against non-taxed prices and try and make it look worse for yourself. I will state, 25% tax sucks, it's not generally that high in the USA, but that's your country. Ultimately though my point is this: If you don't want people replying to your statements with information that isn't relevant to you, then instead of stating "But the 1400 $ prices being charged for the RTX 2080 ti, due to useless features i will never use..." state instead "But the 1400 $ (with tax) prices being charged where i live for the RTX 2080 ti, due to useless features i will never use..." That way people will understand you're saying that's the price where YOU live rather then that's the price of the GPU....

You are correct in your first statement. But that gpu you found is the exception - it is a cheapo version that is 1000 dkk cheaper than all the others... and everyone spending that much in the first place, would spend a bit more and get a proper version, with a better cooler. Regardless, my point remains. A good 1080 ti version like the msi gaming x, was 6500 dkk in denmark (including vat) which is 970 usd... a significantly smaller amount than the 2080 ti gaming x, which is 9749 dkk, or 1455 usd. I would take a 2080 ti with no DXR features at 1080 ti prices any day over the 2080 ti we got with the obscene prices to boot.

They got too much skin in the game and are mitigating their position. If I may also say again: I am not interested in paying for the R & D of nvidia or anyone else.

Loobyluggs:

They got too much skin in the game and are mitigating their position. If I may also say again: I am not interested in paying for the R & D of nvidia or anyone else.

You're paying for it any time you buy their cards lol.

Astyanax:

You're paying for it any time you buy their cards lol.

I'm not an early adopter, never have been - I buy products at a price I think is reasonable, not the price the manufacturer is trying to fleece off of my wallet.

I really don't understand why people freak out with raytracing being the norm in the future. I mean, didn't we have to jump from 3d software rendering to hardware once before? Didn't we had pixel shader versions requirements? Didn't we had DX 11/12 requirements? It's just another day in PC gaming - tech moves forward. It might be too soon to take the "RTX" hype train, but that's true for any early adopting of anything. Once developers get comfortable with it and hardware catches up, I'm sure traditional rasterization will be gone from AAA games. Sure, there will be a transition where both raster and raytracing coexist, but that won't happen for too long, since it would require supporting two lightning implementations and at one point you have to move forward. So, yeah, I think 2023 is a pretty reasonable forecast of games requiring DXR capable cards to even work.

Loobyluggs:

I'm not an early adopter, never have been - I buy products at a price I think is reasonable, not the price the manufacturer is trying to fleece off of my wallet.

you're buying it from a place that has already paid nvidia though, so you're just keeping the cycle going no matter what price you pay in the end.

Astyanax:

you're buying it from a place that has already paid nvidia though, so you're just keeping the cycle going no matter what price you pay in the end.

It never affects me, so I simply do not care.