The longer we go down this road, the more I fear World War 3 will be fought by throwing patents at eachother.

The longer we go down this road, the more I fear World War 3 will be fought by throwing patents at eachother.

That seems pretty safe, I guess I wouldn't mind that.

Watch out for paper cuts though.

Serious question - how does a company like Samsung figure out that Nvidia infringes on such obscure patents like this? Color me ignorant, but these infringed designs don't seem like something you can obviously spot. Samsung, to my knowledge, has nothing to do with the manufacturing or design process of nvidia products. This isn't the first time something like this has come up, so I find it real suspicious that these companies are able to know about these infringements so easily, if at all.

Serious question - how does a company like Samsung figure out that Nvidia infringes on such obscure patents like this? Color me ignorant, but these infringed designs don't seem like something you can obviously spot. Samsung, to my knowledge, has nothing to do with the manufacturing or design process of nvidia products. This isn't the first time something like this has come up, so I find it real suspicious that these companies are able to know about these infringements so easily, if at all.

Of course reverse engineering them things. I would guess that happens a bit.

Of course reverse engineering them things. I would guess that happens a bit.

That doesn't really make sense either though. Companies hardly like spending resources forward-engineering their own products, why would they reverse engineer a competitor's product? Doing so doesn't guarantee inspiration for a new improved design, nor does it guarantee spotting infringed patents. That's a lot of time and money spent on a high possibility of no yield.

Watch out for paper cuts though.

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Nvidia = The First Order AMD = The Resistance Samsung = FN-2187 It all makes sense now, that Samsung will be producing chips for AMD.

That doesn't really make sense either though. Companies hardly like spending resources forward-engineering their own products, why would they reverse engineer a competitor's product? Doing so doesn't guarantee inspiration for a new improved design, nor does it guarantee spotting infringed patents. That's a lot of time and money spent on a high possibility of no yield.

With patents, you HAVE to defend them or they get declared invalid. Since Samsung is one of the leading producers of RISC based processors, it's hard to design a product using a RISC based processor without licensing something from Samsung. Hell, it's hard to produce much of anything anymore without ending up paying a licensing fee to someone. Of course, when you're a new comer like NVidia.....you don't challenge the incumbents like NVidia did. Samsung has vastly more experience in electronics and a lot deeper pockets than NVidia. Of course, I was among those hoping to see NVidia win.....

Nvidia = The First Order AMD = The Resistance Samsung = FN-2187 It all makes sense now, that Samsung will be producing chips for AMD.

yea sure, too bad AMD's colors are red and black

Nvidia = The First Order AMD = The Resistance Samsung = FN-2187 It all makes sense now, that Samsung will be producing chips for AMD.

nope it is more like: AMD = Zakel empire NVidia = The 1st Order Samsung = Mandalorian coalition Apple = the old Empire Linux user = the resistance 🙂

nope it is more like: AMD = Zakel empire NVidia = The 1st Order Samsung = Mandalorian coalition Apple = the old Empire Linux user = the resistance 🙂

This post makes the most sense. 🙂 Too many parents.

Of course, I was among those hoping to see NVidia win.....

lot of money will be lost in procedure but there isn't much in the file against NVidia. for those who are interested check big brother for those patent... if samsung win then lot of maker can prepare money to be sued too lol. on my to do list: Put patent on the wheel concept and sue everyone that use some when i need money 🙂

nVidia was trying to prove that the term "GPU" was an actual unique and original product that it alone invented...and what a load of horse-hockey that was...;) Before nVidia shipped the failed nV1, tens of millions of people were using what were commonly called "graphics processors" and made by companies like the old ATi & Matrox. I was one of them. nVidia comes along (after 3dfx began) and its marketing arm at some point starts calling nVidia graphics processors "graphics processing units" to make it sound more impressive like "cpu"--central processing unit, etc. That's fine for an acronym--GPU--but of course the word "unit" tacked on to the phrase "graphics processor" is redundant--a graphics processor is by definition a graphics processing unit. But nVidia was trying to twist reality around and claim that a "GPU" was an entirely new, never heard of before and never seen kind of graphics processor. And of course had the court ruled in nVidia's favor against Samsung then nVidia would have started trying to collect royalties from every company that makes a GPU, starting with Samsung--on account of nVidia's claim that it invented the GPU. But fortunately that didn't happen and the court slammed nVidia down hard for that load of unadulterated garbage. (RAMBUS, move over--here comes nVidia!) But ironically enough, when nVidia sued Samsung, Samsung returned the favor with a counter-suit and now it looks like things are actually going Samsung's way as nVidia has lost its original GPU suit against Samsung and Samsung looks to be prevailing in its counter-suit accusing nVidia of violating three of Samsung's patents! Poetic justice always smells so sweet, doesn't it?...;) I don't know how all of this will turn out--I'm just happy with the court affirming that GPU is an acronym that everyone uses today (like "CPU") and no one owns a patent to the acronym GPU--but it belongs to everyone. Sorry nVidia--get y'er greedy mitts off!

I rly did not know if I should cry or laugh at that comment.

the more i see you post...the more i like you

nVidia was trying to prove that the term "GPU" was an actual unique and original product that it alone invented...and what a load of horse-hockey that was...;) Before nVidia shipped the failed nV1, tens of millions of people were using what were commonly called "graphics processors" and made by companies like the old ATi & Matrox. I was one of them. nVidia comes along (after 3dfx began) and its marketing arm at some point starts calling nVidia graphics processors "graphics processing units" to make it sound more impressive like "cpu"--central processing unit, etc. That's fine for an acronym--GPU--but of course the word "unit" tacked on to the phrase "graphics processor" is redundant--a graphics processor is by definition a graphics processing unit. But nVidia was trying to twist reality around and claim that a "GPU" was an entirely new, never heard of before and never seen kind of graphics processor. And of course had the court ruled in nVidia's favor against Samsung then nVidia would have started trying to collect royalties from every company that makes a GPU, starting with Samsung--on account of nVidia's claim that it invented the GPU. But fortunately that didn't happen and the court slammed nVidia down hard for that load of unadulterated garbage. (RAMBUS, move over--here comes nVidia!) But ironically enough, when nVidia sued Samsung, Samsung returned the favor with a counter-suit and now it looks like things are actually going Samsung's way as nVidia has lost its original GPU suit against Samsung and Samsung looks to be prevailing in its counter-suit accusing nVidia of violating three of Samsung's patents! Poetic justice always smells so sweet, doesn't it?...;) I don't know how all of this will turn out--I'm just happy with the court affirming that GPU is an acronym that everyone uses today (like "CPU") and no one owns a patent to the acronym GPU--but it belongs to everyone. Sorry nVidia--get y'er greedy mitts off!

You keep bringing this up every thread about Samsung/Nvidia and it's not true. Nvidia owns a patent regarding T&L integration on a "a single semiconductor platform". When they were granted this patent they popularized it as calling their cards as a "GPU" where as AMD at the time was calling their devices "VPU". This is the patent that everyone refers to as "Nvidia invented the GPU". The method of integration is specific in the patent: (https://www.google.com/patents/US6992667). They definitely didn't just say "oh we own the word GPU now" you can't patent a word, nor can you patent an idea for something as vague as "GPU". Their patent was specific and they were under the assumption that Samsung was violating that patent. The court ruled that Nvidia's patent is actually valid but that Samsung wasn't infringing on it. And honestly I don't see anything wrong with that. If Nvidia didn't attempt to defend themselves and it later turned out Samsung was violating it for some time, Nvidia could potentially lose the patent. Plus it's not like Nvidia goes around suing people for patents. Their attack against Samsung is the first time Nvidia ever used their patents offensively. Samsung responded to Nvidia by suing a little mom and pop shop in VA, Velocity Micro because they wanted to fast track their response through VA's court system. That to me is much worse than what Nvidia has done here.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-02-05/nvidia-wins-trial-brought-by-samsung-over-memory-chip-patent Apparently two of Samsung's patent suits got tossed and they just lost the third and last one. Old thread but I figured I'd update it instead of posting a new one.

Samsung was not this bad with patents before...I think the big problem is they have been burned in the past with patents, so now they just join in on the war.

nvidia started this whole mess in the first place. it wasnt just samsung mucking around for the fun of it 😀

Serious question - how does a company like Samsung figure out that Nvidia infringes on such obscure patents like this? Color me ignorant, but these infringed designs don't seem like something you can obviously spot. Samsung, to my knowledge, has nothing to do with the manufacturing or design process of nvidia products. This isn't the first time something like this has come up, so I find it real suspicious that these companies are able to know about these infringements so easily, if at all.

Electron microscopes?