Nvidia Talks About Higher OC clocks on the Founder 2080 cards - also PCB Photo

fantaskarsef

2018-08-21 17:45

The way I read it this means higher factory overclock as in higher boost clock. Probably means not too much for manual overclocking... Interesting that they now can save some more power in low workloads (2D)

#5576240

Archvile82

2018-08-21 19:18

At least they are not taking the p*** with their prices like Asus. I was all set to buy the strix but at £1499 on OC UK they can do one. Went for the founders edition this time as it does seem they have made a lot if effort to improve the cooler compared to previous releases. Mind you...at that price you would hope they would 😀

#5576266

RavenMaster

2018-08-21 19:53

Archvile82:

At least they are not taking the p*** with their prices like Asus. I was all set to buy the strix but at £1499 on OC UK they can do one. Went for the founders edition this time as it does seem they have made a lot if effort to improve the cooler compared to previous releases. Mind you...at that price you would hope they would 😀

I won't be buying any of them until i see some solid performance in benchmarks. So far nvidia has only told us about how great these cards can do ray tracing. But they mentioned absolutely nothing in terms of FPS or benchmark scores etc.

#5576271

Caesar

2018-08-21 20:01

.....just like how their AIB partners will do so...and call it : OC EDITION https://media1.tenor.com/images/dfd762cfcdd465ec4d6746fbb9c05791/tenor.gif?itemid=6182978

#5576303

rm082e

2018-08-21 21:40

So aside from color choices...what's the value of buying an AIB card over a Founder's Edition now that Nvidia is putting out cards with open air dual fan coolers? This feels like Nvidia is now looking to cannibalize their own AIBs and eventually cut them out completely. All they need to do is start offering water cooled versions of their cards at +$150 and the AIBs are trading solely based on their brand names. This feels like preparation for Nvidia to take the whole thing in-house. I don't really have any strong feelings one way or the other on that, but it seems obvious moves are being made...

#5576314

Robbo9999

2018-08-21 22:04

rm082e:

So aside from color choices...what's the value of buying an AIB card over a Founder's Edition now that Nvidia is putting out cards with open air dual fan coolers? This feels like Nvidia is now looking to cannibalize their own AIBs and eventually cut them out completely. All they need to do is start offering water cooled versions of their cards at +$150 and the AIBs are trading solely based on their brand names. This feels like preparation for Nvidia to take the whole thing in-house. I don't really have any strong feelings one way or the other on that, but it seems obvious moves are being made...

If that's NVidia's plan, then I'm not a fan of that plan. Cutting out AIB cards makes the market less diverse & interesting, less choice, less competition too, less likely to get good deals, plus you don't get the choice of aesthetics. I hope AIB partners continue.

#5576316

metagamer

2018-08-21 22:10

RavenMaster:

I won't be buying any of them until i see some solid performance in benchmarks. So far nvidia has only told us about how great these cards can do ray tracing. But they mentioned absolutely nothing in terms of FPS or benchmark scores etc.

well, you would be considered pretty much brain dead if you bought one without seeing proper benches. Talk about stating the obvious.

rm082e:

So aside from color choices...what's the value of buying an AIB card over a Founder's Edition now that Nvidia is putting out cards with open air dual fan coolers?

I hope your joking? Custom PCBs, better power phases, better cooling enabling lower temps alongside less noise. And seeing as many care about the visuals of the inside of their cases, matchy matchy also plays a part. Nothing wrong with the FE, in fact kudos to Nvidia for coming out with a decent cooler for their cards but not seeing what 3rd party cards offer is a bit blind.

#5576320

metagamer

2018-08-21 22:24

sdamaged99:

Why anyone would pre order a card with no benchmarks out baffles me. I "suspect" that the new cards are not much of an improvement over the 10 series, and this is why they have given no information on actual performance. If you look at the actual specs on the cards, one could surmise a performance increase of around 10-20% over the 1080Ti (the 2080Ti), which is pretty nauseating given the 70% price premium over the 1080Ti

Did you just "surmise" the 2080ti performance from a pure CUDA core number count analysis? Just wow.

#5576330

rm082e

2018-08-21 22:58

metagamer:

I hope your joking? Custom PCBs, better power phases, better cooling enabling lower temps alongside less noise. And seeing as many care about the visuals of the inside of their cases, matchy matchy also plays a part. Nothing wrong with the FE, in fact kudos to Nvidia for coming out with a decent cooler for their cards but not seeing what 3rd party cards offer is a bit blind.

I'm not saying I want this to happen. I understand some people want all the options they can get - consumer choice - etc. I'm not arguing in favor of cutting out the board partners. I'm saying I don't think the majority of people buying graphics cards will care about the differences you mentioned enough that they would be upset if Nvidia cut out their board partners. I'm wondering if Nvidia would potentially try to do that, and if it would be to their advantage (higher margins) to do so? Selling hardware direct has made a lot of money for Apple, Samsung, the game console makers, etc. I'm wondering if Nvidia would like to elbow out their partners entirely. That might sound crazy, but it seems like now would be the time if they were going to make this move, given they have no competition in this space. Just look at what they've done with the pricing.

#5576335

RavenMaster

2018-08-21 23:05

metagamer:

well, you would be considered pretty much brain dead if you bought one without seeing proper benches. Talk about stating the obvious.

And you could have ignored my post,. I bet you have loads of friends with that attitude.

#5576337

metagamer

2018-08-21 23:07

RavenMaster:

And you could have ignored my post but you went out of your way to be a c*nt. I bet you have loads of friends with that attitude.

You said you won't be buying one without seeing a proper gaming bench. I said you'd be pretty much brainless if you did. Basically saying that you're not brainless because you're not preordering one. Now... what is it with your attitude?

#5576340

metagamer

2018-08-21 23:12

rm082e:

I'm not saying I want this to happen. I understand some people want all the options they can get - consumer choice - etc. I'm not arguing in favor of cutting out the board partners. I'm saying I don't think the majority of people buying graphics cards will care about the differences you mentioned enough that they would be upset if Nvidia cut out their board partners. I'm wondering if Nvidia would potentially try to do that, and if it would be to their advantage (higher margins) to do so? Selling hardware direct has made a lot of money for Apple, Samsung, the game console makers, etc. I'm wondering if Nvidia would like to elbow out their partners entirely. That might sound crazy, but it seems like now would be the time if they were going to make this move, given they have no competition in this space. Just look at what they've done with the pricing.

I would say that anyone who buys a £1000 gpu and doesn't care about every single bit of spec deserves to be burnt. No way in hell I would buy anything worth a grand without doing some research. Therefore, I don't buy crap.

#5576383

CalculuS

2018-08-22 00:30

The cooler design makes me think of EVGA ACX coolers.

#5576391

RavenMaster

2018-08-22 01:05

metagamer:

well, you would be considered pretty much brain dead if you bought one without seeing proper benches. Talk about stating the obvious.

You're a little selective when it comes to remembering your insults i see. Whatever, keyboard warrior. Good luck pulling that shit in real life

#5576458

pimpineasy

2018-08-22 06:41

what is amd solutions slash vega to clearance they cant even beat 1080? ill buy it $100 rebranding gcn terascale is disgusting when product can only play lowest quality like gaming laptop 2018 that could heat a small house. rx was a flop rebrand for 60 fps min at 1080 rez. i got a 570 it very weak i call this minimum spec for gaming all it is rebadged r9 285 and it still a space heater. only plebs left without tensor cores and RT cores; amd will have physx performance on new titles if developer favor nvidia sdks over their own. pretty sure unreal is the industry which look good but all very similar. Looking forward for benches amd cant even enable tessellation yet, and nvida claims 6x better performance over 1080 for complex computation like RT. that probably means you can turn it on but the fps hit at high rez and frame times still might be trash.

#5576467

Robbo9999

2018-08-22 07:32

metagamer:

Did you just "surmise" the 2080ti performance from a pure CUDA core number count analysis? Just wow.

Nothing wrong with the guy surmising performance based on specs, it's just that...surmising. It's interesting to speculate, nothing wrong with it.

#5576502

Evildead666

2018-08-22 10:21

rm082e:

So aside from color choices...what's the value of buying an AIB card over a Founder's Edition now that Nvidia is putting out cards with open air dual fan coolers? This feels like Nvidia is now looking to cannibalize their own AIBs and eventually cut them out completely. All they need to do is start offering water cooled versions of their cards at +$150 and the AIBs are trading solely based on their brand names. This feels like preparation for Nvidia to take the whole thing in-house. I don't really have any strong feelings one way or the other on that, but it seems obvious moves are being made...

3DFX tried to cut out the Board partners. Then Nvidia bought all their remains. Nvidia knows all too well what happens when you cut out the AIB crowd. 😉 They won't step on their toes too much, but I suspect people have been asking for High Build Quality cards straight from Nvidia, and they Obliged.

#5576599

metagamer

2018-08-22 15:16

sdamaged99:

You can estimate teraflops performance from memory speed / bandwidth and clockspeed. CUDA cores are not really part of that equation. I'm not the only one who has done this, a few notable Tech YouTubers have also done the same and came to similar conclusions This was from Forbes (who may be quoting someone else) "Seriously, glance at the clock speeds for the 20 Series. Check out the unimpressive CUDA core increase over the 10 Series. Realize that the memory configuration is the same as the 10 Series (albeit with GDDR6 instead of GDDR5). Take a hard look at what the performance increase should be. Most in the tech media are putting it at maybe 10% to 15% over the 10 Series when it comes to the majority of games out there. But you'll pay 40% to 50% higher prices for this generation's replacements based on MSRP. And you know we won't be paying MSRP. . ."

The 970 matched the 780ti and it had a lot less CUDA cores, it had a 256bit memory bus *cough* vs a 384bit memory bus therefore memory bandwidth was nowhere near. It ran around 200mhz faster than the 780ti though. And it matched the 780ti more often than not. New architecture can also be a lot more efficient you see. So less CUDA cores and lower core clocks doesn't necessarily mean lesser performance. Let's not forget that the slower core clocks will be offset by higher memory clocks, to a certain point.

#5576600

fantaskarsef

2018-08-22 15:19

metagamer:

The 970 matched the 780ti and it had a lot less CUDA cores, it had a 256bit memory bus *cough* vs a 384bit memory bus therefore memory bandwidth was nowhere near. It ran around 200mhz faster than the 780ti though. And it matched the 780ti more often than not. New architecture can also be a lot more efficient you see. So less CUDA cores and lower core clocks doesn't necessarily mean lesser performance. Let's not forget that the slower core clocks will be offset by higher memory clocks, to a certain point.

Just to add to that, iirc Maxwell had better compression algorythums than the generations before, that's how they were able to cope with less bandwidth for the memory.

#5576603

metagamer

2018-08-22 15:26

fantaskarsef:

Just to add to that, iirc Maxwell had better compression algorythums than the generations before, that's how they were able to cope with less bandwidth for the memory.

Yes, you're right. You never know, Turing might just have some wizardry up it's sleeve too. But just looking at numbers and determining performance solely like that is silly so I don't know why people do it.