Serotonin:

My thoughts too. This is a 4060ti at best.

yep this, look at previous gens vs this, the card is cut down similar to a 60 series card, the 1070 had better ratio of score vs the top card than this does. the 4080 should be the 70 (non-ti) and this the 60 series

Crazy we hit a point where a 192bit gpu has almost the same bandwidth as the Fury X that had 512bit with HBM.

Ricepudding:

ignoring price for a moment, the 4090 is a good card, high performance... then we go down the stack and it makes no sense. going back to the 10 series, the top 1080ti had 3584 cores, over 28 SMMs, even then the 1070 had 15 SMMs and 1920 cores, bare in mind this card is lower than the 4070ti in the stack, which has less than 50% of what the 4090 if offering. and the 1070ti had 19sm over 2432 cores! the whole 4080/70 whatever are so gimped. And we wouldn't mind if the price was fair, but these cards cost insane amounts for chips that won't cost anywere near as much as a 4090 does to make. also some how a 70 series card has had 256 bit bus for can't remember how long and now its 192... I hope like the 80 series these cards stay on the shelves and Nvidia learns a lesson (though I am sure they will try it again in the future)

It`s a mixture of greed and an huge stock that they need to clear out.

cucaulay malkin:

who cares what sells more units if both are major disappointments in terms of value, 6800xt was fantastic at 650, so was 3080. now the cheapeast one will be 900, the other over 1200. wtf are people thanking amd for ? being slightly less retarded with prices ?

ok, moving goalposts is it? while you were whinging on it occurred to me... have you ever bought a premium gpu? premium gpu's are never values, they're relative values. and i've been speaking to that point while you wriggle, writhe, and change topics. you're 3060ti was a great value (esp. during crypto) and i kept my 2070 in my main system until i bought a 6900xt (at FE MSRP in March) which was not only a value and a deal (just before ETH pos) especially because it is a pre-blocked Liquid Devil i got for less than air cooled versions. in any case, until i bought the 2070 my jam was the Nvidia halo (every single one released not counting Titans) so it's pretty irritating to hear you tell me about Nvidia's advantages like a mother teaching how to tie shoelaces. now let's get to the real brass tacks of manufacturing - 1) new technology is always expensive - it takes quite a bit to achieve Economy of Scale. typically that scale is not achieved (by AMD) until 1/2 way through product cycle. for Nvidia it takes about 1/3 way through product cycle - which was part of the problem with Ampere as Nvidia re-upped production runs 3x when the costs didn't achieve the scale (due to crypto crash right after 3rd run). and mind you AMD has been cutting costs through engineering more efficient production, they're just a smaller company. 2) every next gen GPU from both camps have more expensive parts - period. as i've said many times before the costs from suppliers (incl. my company) has gone up from wafers to vrms to wire bundling to fab runs. this is no different than buying a car, which are also more expensive for the same reasons. 3) most folks on this forum are completely ignoring (because...no press) the fact that neither company has released any mid-range cards. both companies should have very exciting mid-range cards that will approach or top 120Hz @ 1440p. and depending on the bus and the memory some light 4k too

H83:

It`s a mixture of greed and an huge stock that they need to clear out.

and passing on the costs of over production while they're at it.

Surprised they will call this one 4070ti. What will they call the one just above this one in 6-12 months time? 4070 TiS? 4070TiTi? Maybe 4075?

tunejunky:

ok, moving goalposts is it? while you were whinging on it occurred to me... have you ever bought a premium gpu? premium gpu's are never values, they're relative values. and i've been speaking to that point while you wriggle, writhe, and change topics. you're 3060ti was a great value (esp. during crypto) and i kept my 2070 in my main system until i bought a 6900xt (at FE MSRP in March) which was not only a value and a deal (just before ETH pos) especially because it is a pre-blocked Liquid Devil i got for less than air cooled versions. in any case, until i bought the 2070 my jam was the Nvidia halo (every single one released not counting Titans) so it's pretty irritating to hear you tell me about Nvidia's advantages like a mother teaching how to tie shoelaces. now let's get to the real brass tacks of manufacturing - 1) new technology is always expensive - it takes quite a bit to achieve Economy of Scale. typically that scale is not achieved (by AMD) until 1/2 way through product cycle. for Nvidia it takes about 1/3 way through product cycle - which was part of the problem with Ampere as Nvidia re-upped production runs 3x when the costs didn't achieve the scale (due to crypto crash right after 3rd run). and mind you AMD has been cutting costs through engineering more efficient production, they're just a smaller company. 2) every next gen GPU from both camps have more expensive parts - period. as i've said many times before the costs from suppliers (incl. my company) has gone up from wafers to vrms to wire bundling to fab runs. this is no different than buying a car, which are also more expensive for the same reasons. 3) most folks on this forum are completely ignoring (because...no press) the fact that neither company has released any mid-range cards. both companies should have very exciting mid-range cards that will approach or top 120Hz @ 1440p. and depending on the bus and the memory some light 4k too

no one is moving them, except for you,as pretty much everyone understands that a +$800 gpu has to do more than run games that are popular on steam. maybe max quality in latest, most demanding games would be nice for that much money, eh ? I had some of them before. 980Ti, 1080 on launch, 1080Ti. and what does it have to do with anything whether or not I have owned a top tier gpu before ? I bought them for 1440p 144hz, now I want a premium gpu like 4080 to do 1440p 144hz with rt. https://www.purepc.pl/zotac-geforce-rtx-4080-trinity-test-karty-graficznej-nastepca-geforce-rtx-3080-wydajniejszy-od-geforce-rtx-3090-ti?page=0,22

toyo:

Looks like corporations are taking naive and greedy customers for a ride, and it is only their fault for accepting the abusive relationship. If you render stuff, do research that needs CUDA, if you do design or video editing that can benefit a lot from the new encoders and GPU power, sure, go for it, but if you are willing to feed Nvidia or anyone else 1K USD or more every 2 years for gaming, you're just doing it wrong - especially in 2022 when gaming is nowhere near the imaginative endeavor of the mid 2000s, there are no more Starcrafts, no more Dragon Age, no more WoW, no more Warcraft, even Cyberpunk was not even remotely on par with the Witcher series. There are literally no great games that would require you to save up for a Voodoo2 so you can play them. There are no games that you need a 2600K i7 CPU so you don't lag in some raid at 30% GPU utilization. It's all just endless boring irrelevant corporate or indie stuff that's barely entertaining.

I agree. Most of my games I could play on my 1070 but I bought an LG 48 C1 OLED for my computer monitor so I needed a better video card.. Got a good deal on a 3090 ti. I have a few newer games, but most are older. The golden age of Games is the thing of the past. Big business took the creativity out of games, so your left with Battlefield 27 and COD 27.. Very little quality games out there. What a pity!

moo100times:

Surprised they will call this one 4070ti. What will they call the one just above this one in 6-12 months time? 4070 TiS? 4070TiTi? Maybe 4075?

4080 LE