Covid19 is only for private sector. People working in, for or with state have not stopped buying shit. I cannot explain that consumerism otherwise at the moment. Best case scenario they have retired parents or they are retired themselves, enjoying remaining lifetime.

Covid if anything has pushed tech sales, this is documented.

DannyD:

Retailers are to blame for this mess too, scan was saying a few days before release 'gonna be an exciting launch folks!', well exciting it was, if you use Bounce Alerts.

The situation sucks, but this isn't Nvidia's fault. Sure, if they had just made 4x the number of cards for launch, there would be more on the market. But that's an asinine thing to say. What's obnoxious though is the reaction to their statement on the issue. They didn't throw up some jack-ass tweets to dunk on AMD. They put out a statement with actual numbers to help people understand why there is no stock for the product people are looking for. They're trying to provide context to keep people engaged. This is exactly what I would hope a good marketing department would do for a product like this. I don't get the hate.

There'll always be hate from both sides whenever an opportunity arises, just ignore, what pisses me off more is this two month wait talk. Two months?

Honestly, watching the presentation on the 3000 series, I was thinking to myself "It's going to be January before we see reasonable prices on AIB cards." There's a backlog of demand from 1000 series owners, the RTX is a lot better, the pricing isn't as bad as people feared, and it's good for mining. Those factors combined seemed obvious it's going to be a supply grind for months until the market normalizes. No one should be surprised by this.

Denial:

I agree it was pretty misleading. They had one slide that said "up to" but the other definitely flat out said 2x 2080 performance. Further they went a weird route with the Linus video and made the claim they were only talking about 2x in RT games - but the slides don't indicate that at all and it's not even true regardless.

Actually Nvidia DID have small print on the slides bottom on the video. I pointed this to you and many others in this very forum when everyone had jumped the hypetrain, yet many bashed me that I was ignorant and not knowing what talking about, while they refused to re-watch the video. Here to remind you and everyone else the small print from the video https://i.imgur.com/7NHz4WC.png That is why I strongly believe the 3070 will be around 1080Ti performance in non RT games and around the 2080Ti with RT/DLSS. While the 1080ti looked like it was at the bottom of the chart, because it had it's performance with Ray Tracing without DLSS. 2000 and 3000 series had DLSS ON on the charts. Also we know how fast a 52CU RDNA2 is with RT on at 4K on NATIVE rendering. Yet somehow we have prople saying that they will be surprised if AMD is faster!!!! Bonkers.

Fediuld:

That is why I strongly believe the 3070 will be around 1080Ti performance in non RT games and around the 2080Ti with RT/DLSS.

No way. The 2070S was already very close to the 1080ti in non-RT performance.

alanm:

No way. The 2070S was already very close to the 1080ti in non-RT performance.

And? Does that prohibits somehow Nvidia to deliver another card AROUND the 1080ti/2070S/2080? Don't forget the 3070 is almost HALF the die size of the 3080/3090. And even if the 3090 is 20% faster not just mere 9-10% as some say, it would be around the area I am referring to. If it just 10% it will be at the 1080Ti area probably getting beaten by the Radeon VII also.

Fediuld:

Actually Nvidia DID have small print on the slides bottom on the video. I pointed this to you and many others in this very forum when everyone had jumped the hypetrain, yet many bashed me that I was ignorant and not knowing what talking about, while they refused to re-watch the video. Here to remind you and everyone else the small print from the video That is why I strongly believe the 3070 will be around 1080Ti performance in non RT games and around the 2080Ti with RT/DLSS. While the 1080ti looked like it was at the bottom of the chart, because it had it's performance with Ray Tracing without DLSS. 2000 and 3000 series had DLSS ON on the charts. Also we know how fast a 52CU RDNA2 is with RT on at 4K on NATIVE rendering. Yet somehow we have prople saying that they will be surprised if AMD is faster!!!! Bonkers.

That's not how this went. Nvidia's launch video has three slides that show relative performance - one is labeled "Greatest Generational Leap" and the axis is labeled "relative performance" the bottom only reads: "Average performance across multiple popular graphic-intensive games at 4K" - In that slide it says 3080 is "up 2x 2080". RT is mentioned absolutely no where: https://i.redd.it/jbwgvy2dduk51.jpg In a completely different slide, the one you linked, it's specifically talking about RT performance. It doesn't mention 2x at all in that slide. In a post right after launch you said "up to 2x performance was for RTX only" and told everyone to go rewatch the video, everyone said no. They said no because that's not what the "up 2x" slide says, it says relative performance and says average of games. It doesn't mention RT at all. Also by the time you said that we literally had an example from Digital Foundry that showed a non-RT game doing 2x a 2080 (Doom) and a bunch of others at 70-80%. So why would anyone be questioning it at that point? Nvidia, a week later in Linus's video, clarifies that the 2x was referring to RT performance only - but both slides that mention 2x don't mention RT, only the 3rd slide, the one you're talking about mentions RT performance but it doesn't say 2x at all. Which makes Nvidia look even dumber than they did about the "twice the performance of 2080" slide. Also there is no way a 3070 is going to be around a 1080Ti.

What are the chances AMD have a 3080 competitive GPU? The 7nm node surely gives them a head start?

theoneofgod:

What are the chances AMD have a 3080 competitive GPU? The 7nm node surely gives them a head start?

Pretty high - the only thing @Fediuld has been right about is that the 56CU Xbox GPU is very performant and yet relatively small in terms of die size. The density of RDNA2 seems to be much higher than RDNA1. There is no reason why AMD couldn't scale that up to compete with a 3080, with maybe the exception of overall cost. The problem AMD is going to have is that, A. TSMC's 7nm process is extremely expensive and B. They'd either need a massive bus to feed such a card because they don't have access to GDDR6x, or they need HBM2 on it - which significantly drives the cost of production up. So it's a balance act between hitting the right performance and not driving the cost up too much so that the margins don't make sense. Idk what the best course is for them honestly. If they already have a 56CU chip that, perhaps when clocked right, can nearly do 2080Ti performance - then they basically have a 3070 competitor and Microsoft essentially paid for it. Could they just release that as the top end card and rake in tons of profit and screw spinning a larger chip? Maybe.

Denial:

Pretty high - the only thing @Fediuld has been right about is that the 56CU Xbox GPU is very performant and yet relatively small in terms of die size. The density of RDNA2 seems to be much higher than RDNA1. There is no reason why AMD couldn't scale that up to compete with a 3080, with maybe the exception of overall cost. The problem AMD is going to have is that, A. TSMC's 7nm process is extremely expensive and B. They'd either need a massive bus to feed such a card because they don't have access to GDDR6x, or they need HBM2 on it - which significantly drives the cost of production up. So it's a balance act between hitting the right performance and not driving the cost up too much so that the margins don't make sense. Idk what the best course is for them honestly. If they already have a 56CU chip that, perhaps when clocked right, can nearly do 2080Ti performance - then they basically have a 3070 competitor and Microsoft essentially paid for it. Could they just release that as the top end card and rake in tons of profit and screw spinning a larger chip? Maybe.

I like what your saying but a Bios file has been found that shows 80CUs and a nice wide bus to feed it with potentially 16gb...am hoping Nvidia is going to feel pain very soon

DannyD:

Retailers are to blame for this mess too, scan was saying a few days before release 'gonna be an exciting launch folks!', well exciting it was, if you use Bounce Alerts.

Not only that. Scalpers are to blame as well because they cheated to get cards by using bots which ties in to retailers as well since they have no security against it.

The PS5 and Xbox Series X gives you clues to what supply of the AMD card will be like. It's not going to be any better than RTX3080. If anything, I'd bet on the supply of big Navi to be much worse than for RTX3080. If Nvidia users get their cards in November/December, then, AMD users aren't getting any until next year. If PS5 and XSX are really successful, then, you aren't getting any decent quantities of big Navi until Easter next year.

Stormyandcold:

The PS5 and Xbox Series X gives you clues to what supply of the AMD card will be like. It's not going to be any better than RTX3080. If anything, I'd bet on the supply of big Navi to be much worse than for RTX3080. If Nvidia users get their cards in November/December, then, AMD users aren't getting any until next year. If PS5 and XSX are really successful, then, you aren't getting any decent quantities of big Navi until Easter next year.

Yeah, that's something that really worries me. I need a new card to make the most out of Cyberpunk 2077. So unfortunately I need it this year. If I'm unable to source a big Navi, then I don't have a choice but the get an Ampere card. I've been hanging out for the release of this game and I won't wait until next year to play it. My RX480 just won't do this game justice.

theoneofgod:

What are the chances AMD have a 3080 competitive GPU? The 7nm node surely gives them a head start?

On paper the biggest Navi is over 2x a 5700XT in performance. In theory it could beat a 3090. What that will turn out to be in reality, however... we're obviously hoping for the best or the market is fracked for another who knows how many years. I've said it multiple times before: If the 80CU Navi fails, I'll be the most disappointed I've ever been about a product. For that matter I'll probably just give up all hope and buy an XBSX or something.

rm082e:

I don't get the hate.

nVidia has a rich history of hateful actions and misinformation. [spoiler]#1 on my list of hateful action was when nvidia disabled GPU PhysX if a non-Nvidia card was detected on your computer. High on the list of misinformation was their lack of truthful communication about the GTX 970 4GB of memory. The list goes on and on. Some of their AIB partners were so ashamed of how customer felt cheated that they can up with a step up program that allow the customer to buy up to a better card if a new release happen within a given time period.[/spoiler]

Wow, was removed from my cart!

Icanium:

nVidia has a rich history of hateful actions and misinformation. [spoiler]#1 on my list of hateful action was when nvidia disabled GPU PhysX if a non-Nvidia card was detected on your computer. High on the list of misinformation was their lack of truthful communication about the GTX 970 4GB of memory. The list goes on and on. [/spoiler]

number 1 on your list is a legitimate disabling of an untested combination.

Welcome to the buying a 3080 experience. ^_^