From the Specs it look like a "quad" 750 (non-Ti). 750 spec is 512:32:16 Shaders:TMU:ROP for 1.87B trans 980 spec is 2048:128:64 for 5.2B trans Considering the memory controllers are doubled on the 980 wrt the 750, it should be quite a bit less than 4x1.87=7.48. Its a lot less than I would have thought at 5.2B trans.... it could be that this is the fully fledged chip, until 20nm is faesible, which would bring on the 980Ti and Titans... I wonder how they managed to get the number of transistors down wrt to the 750 ? Did they cut something out, or cripple it really bad, or just optimise the hell out of it ? edit : The 1.87B trans for the 750, include the Ti, which is 640 shaders. So a little less than 7.48B would be for a 2560 shader card. (7.48B/5)*4=5.98B take away the extra memory channels (edit2 : And som TMU's, down from 160 to 128), and we're pretty close to the 5.2B of this chip. 🙂 Hopefully the reviews may shed some light on this...

When is the actual review is it 14:00hrs UK time? Also i wonder if it will beat my 690 outright on performance, on paper looks like it will. Looking forward to the review and i will vote with my wallet, i dont think i will be buying the 980 or the 970 tbh. Roll on GM200.

Wouldn't it depend on the title? The 690 beats the 780Ti in various games when it gets full scaling. I think I'm switching over to the 980 anyway, kinda tired of having SLI and the power savings is kinda nice. Plus I have a feeling they are going to have a few features that are going to be 980/970 only in order to help sell it.

From the Specs it look like a "quad" 750 (non-Ti). 750 spec is 512:32:16 Shaders:TMU:ROP for 1.87B trans 980 spec is 2048:128:64 for 5.2B trans Considering the memory controllers are doubled on the 980 wrt the 750, it should be quite a bit less than 4x1.87=7.48. Its a lot less than I would have thought at 5.2B trans.... it could be that this is the fully fledged chip, until 20nm is faesible, which would bring on the 980Ti and Titans... I wonder how they managed to get the number of transistors down wrt to the 750 ? Did they cut something out, or cripple it really bad, or just optimise the hell out of it ? edit : The 1.87B trans for the 750, include the Ti, which is 640 shaders. So a little less than 7.48B would be for a 2560 shader card. (7.48B/5)*4=5.98B take away the extra memory channels, and we're pretty close to the 5.2B of this chip. 🙂 Hopefully the reviews may shed some light on this...

I'd imagine that they are waiting for 20nm to hit a reasonable price level before moving to it. And as I said in the other thread they kinda need to refresh next year anyway, their next generation architecture is due out mid-late 2016, they need something in between. So they'll probably release a 20nm 550mm2 Maxwell chip sometime around summer 2015, maybe they'll refresh the entire line @ 20nm.

Wouldn't it depend on the title? The 690 beats the 780Ti in various games when it gets full scaling. I think I'm switching over to the 980 anyway, kinda tired of having SLI and the power savings is kinda nice. Plus I have a feeling they are going to have a few features that are going to be 980/970 only in order to help sell it. I'd imagine that they are waiting for 20nm to hit a reasonable price level before moving to it. And as I said in the other thread they kinda need to refresh next year anyway, their next generation architecture is due out mid-late 2016, they need something in between. So they'll probably release a 20nm 550mm2 Maxwell chip sometime around summer 2015, maybe they'll refresh the entire line @ 20nm.

Its not so much the price of the 20nm, but the yield. If the yield is awful with a large chip, they'll be haemmoraging money, which is never a good idea. they will probably hit 3000 or so shaders with 20nm, but it won't need to be a 550mm2 chip, it could be about the same size as this one ~400mm2. I'm wondering if the 980 will be limited by how much voltage and power can be fed to it. It might be that that ultimately limits the overclocks.

That's almost $800 USD - I sincerely hope these guys are just gouging people (I mean, it sucks that they are gouging but better just them than it actually being that expensive across the board). It really will have to be ~30% faster to justify that price.

They are. There is no way this thing is performing 30% better than a 780Ti with those specs. The 750Ti has 33% less cuda cores than 660 yet performs roughly the same. 980GTX has ~33% less cuda cores then 780Ti, it's going to perform roughly the same. And by roughly I would estimate 10% less performance than a 780Ti. The only thing that's going to get people to buy GTX980 are going to be cheaper prices and marquee features.

GTX 980 its not full product.in the future will have maybe an GTX 980 TI full. If you have GTX 780 or GTX 780TI: stay a while and listen. 😉 wait and watch the benchmarks. The low TDP is not a real deal.I prefer TDP 250W with full performance than low tdp and low performance,most powerful cards do that.

GTX980 is a full GM204 product.The GTX780/780 Ti/Titan/Titan black are GK110 products, and obviously nVidia released so many GK110 versions because they like milking the cow.

I reckon around 450 - 500 here in the uk like i said a few days ago. I dont know, all i know is that my card that i have now is good enough for the next few months. I want to upgrade too believe me but i believe the new gm200 could be here by Xmas. I could be wrong, who knows. @Darren i dont know if there is going to be a Ti, probably will be but not after Titan II. Who knows they may already have a Ti in the works before Titan. Anything is possible, just go with what you require. If you want or need a new gpu go buy one, if you dont then dont bother till later. Dont worry about what other people are doing, think about what you want/need for yourself. Remember Titan II is gonna probably be £1000 minimum. If that comes Ti versions of that card may come after, they may come before, nobody really knows. Gibbo did say from OCUK that 8GB cards will follow shortly after the 4GB 980's/970's. Maybe something else will be coming which we dont know about ie: Another Dual card or Titan II. Who knows.....

If the GM200 comes at Xmas there is zero point in upgrading today. I wish we knew for sure. I'm tempted to pick up 2x980 refs for SLI but there is no point in doing that if GM200 comes in 3 months. And we can probably be positive that there wont be a 980Ti since well get the full GM204 chip right away.

Apparently they've become available in Switzerland if you know where to look, 980 average $700

If the GM200 comes at Xmas there is zero point in upgrading today. I wish we knew for sure. I'm tempted to pick up 2x980 refs for SLI but there is no point in doing that if GM200 comes in 3 months. And we can probably be positive that there wont be a 980Ti since well get the full GM204 chip right away.

I just can't see this happening. What does Nvidia do from December until 2016 then? Just sit on what they have and pretend cashflow problems don't exist? Titan was released roughly 10 months after GK104. I think you're going to see the same thing here. July 2015 GM210 will launch @ 20nm and refresh the entire line similar to the 7 series.

New cards being released now remind of the age-old question about the frog jumping across the road. The first leap gets Mr Frog halfway across the road, and every successive leap thereafter is half the distance of the previous leap. He will never get to the other side. The GPU power is increasing, but each time is half of the prior so-called 'leap'. I doubt I'm the first the view it this way, nor would I be the first to say the focus of GPU 'facturers is efficiency and die shrinks for mobile computing and cloud computing. I think CPU peeps are kinda doing the same thing, and are working with software vendors like VMWare to assist them or dislodge potential dislodging. I suspect this is part of the reason why you got prices at the levels you got them right now, because the capability versus software has a long shelf life esp. now that xbone and PS4 have frozen the next nine years. My 670GTX running 1080P is gonna be fine for quite some time, and even if I did 'upgrade', the GPU I get will be fine for a very long time indeed. Perhaps I'm solo in that POV... TLDR's are for numbskull's and poorly constructed posts.

it'll be slower than -Tj-'s. 😀 hehe

Should I care? I plan to stick at 1080p for a while and this Oc'ed 780gtx is more then enough. Even if its 5-10fps faster no big deal, wont get less sleep at night, besides I'm only interested in real high-end Maxwell aka GM200 ;P

New cards being released now remind of the age-old question about the frog jumping across the road. The first leap gets Mr Frog halfway across the road, and every successive leap thereafter is half the distance of the previous leap. He will never get to the other side. The GPU power is increasing, but each time is half of the prior so-called 'leap'. I doubt I'm the first the view it this way, nor would I be the first to say the focus of GPU 'facturers is efficiency and die shrinks for mobile computing and cloud computing. I think CPU peeps are kinda doing the same thing, and are working with software vendors like VMWare to assist them or dislodge potential dislodging. I suspect this is part of the reason why you got prices at the levels you got them right now, because the capability versus software has a long shelf life esp. now that xbone and PS4 have frozen the next nine years. My 670GTX running 1080P is gonna be fine for quite some time, and even if I did 'upgrade', the GPU I get will be fine for a very long time indeed. Perhaps I'm solo in that POV... TLDR's are for numbskull's and poorly constructed posts.

I mean yeah this pretty well known that there are diminishing returns on performance gains. Phone industry is going through it currently. Every new generation of Galaxy phones for example had nearly double the processing performance until recently. In computing a lot of it is going towards power savings. Intel is trying to move down to mobile and so is Nvidia. I mean look at what Nvidia did here, they went from the 770: 3.2TFlops @ 230w to 980GTX: 4.6TFlops @ 165w. That's pretty impressive for no die shrink. And when next generation Tegra comes out with Maxwell architecture, that gain is going directly into the mobile market. And the pricing thing is coming from a variety of factors. Nvidia stated with the G80 (8000 series) that the cost of developing that architecture was $600M and 4 years to make it and that price was increasing by ~33% with each major architecture revision. Which again leads back into the performance issue. If the architecture gets more expensive each time to develop and the cost of the end product remains the same then how exactly does a company thrive? As a result Nvidia/AMD moved into smaller revisions and yearly refreshes with smaller gaps between performance. Similar to Intel and it's Tick-Tock release schedule. And I agree with you on the 670. I'm always going to try to buy the latest because I just have the money to spend and its my hobby. But when my 690 was down I bought a 750Ti and I honestly didn't even notice the difference with the games I play. Not one time was I like "damn I want my 690 back". 750 ran Dota 2, SC2, CSGO, Warframe, everything at high settings with adequate framerate.

I'd say anyone looking to replace a 780 is nuts and if any of you do ill gladly offer my self as a caretaker to keep the dust off of that 780.

Will also depend on what amd release to counter attack the 980. I hope they come up with something great as that will force nvidia to react quicker. I wont hold my breath though.

something involving a 3 and a 90x? Maybe?

AMDs got nothing until sometime in 2015 as far as im aware, but if these are just around the 780/780Ti performance, then they don't need anything.

My last 4 cards have been ati9800pro - Nv.6800GT - 5850pro - 660ti. Technically atm I'm running onboard intel (thats the good stuff). So not a fanboy at all - quite the opposite, unlike a lot of ppl around here (uhoh shots fired) So yeah an AMD counter would be amazing to help drive costs down. But ive had the 660 going kaput recently, the "revived" temp solution of going back to 5850 didnt last long either, so I'm quite desperate for a good new value GPU. And the TDP of that 970 looks very interesting as long as the performance is 780-like. Good god, WHERE ARE MAH REVIEWS ALREADY

I just can't see this happening. What does Nvidia do from December until 2016 then? Just sit on what they have and pretend cashflow problems don't exist? Titan was released roughly 10 months after GK104. I think you're going to see the same thing here. July 2015 GM210 will launch @ 20nm and refresh the entire line similar to the 7 series.

Exactly my thinking. Lets just forget about GM200 for now and enjoy the 9XX series in peace. What comes down the road (hopefully in at least 8 months or more) will be a different story.

980 Vs 780TI http://s4.postimg.org/9fkyse1tp/HR30_Rt_D.png 980 Vs 290X http://s30.postimg.org/u4gfoax35/NVIDIA_Ge_Force_GTX_980_vs_Radeon_R9_290_X.png

Overclocked 970 Vs 290X http://s1.postimg.org/m1yi5gsbz/NVIDIA_Ge_Force_GTX_970_vs_Radeon_R9_290_X.png 970 Vs 780 http://s15.postimg.org/isl95hraz/NVIDIA_Ge_Force_GTX_970_vs_Ge_Force_GTX_780_GHz.png GTX 970/980 Power + Thermals http://s16.postimg.org/4lhfoklnp/NVIDIA_Ge_Force_GTX_980_and_GTX_970_Power_Consump.png GPU Temperature http://s29.postimg.org/6hhrp3eqf/NVIDIA_Ge_Force_GTX_980_and_GTX_970_GPU_Temperatu.png 970 Overclock http://s9.postimg.org/6f9lyj7jz/NVIDIA_Ge_Force_GTX_970_Overclock_635x415.jpg 980 Overclock http://s8.postimg.org/heyb4m2vp/NVIDIA_Ge_Force_GTX_980_Overclock_635x421.jpg

A single 980 is matching my SLI setup, definite upgrade for me. I'll go SLI once I have the cash aswell.

Maybe you should wait for the 8gb versions if you are planning to go sli.

Looks good. Now to see how much they retail for. Reviews will also reveal how well they overclock. Oh and new drivers should improve things further.

well yeah, i would expect those 970 vs 780 % numbers to change in say 3-4 months in favor of the 970. This is most likely just the beta review driver which was only made avail. (according to reviewers on social media) 2-3 days ago