NVIDIA Green Light program requires board partners to validate their designs

Mufflore

2012-10-04 23:41

From the bolded

They simply chose to change their software in lieu of the warranty. Their choice. It is not ours to make, and we don’t influence them one way or the other.

The point of them making a statement is that they have influenced MSI through the warranty. You'd think they would be good at logic :P

#4424316

buddybd

2012-10-05 00:31

I don't see the fault in this really. If other companies want to mod the heck out of their cards then why should nvidia have to pay for their mistakes? If they are absolutely confident that their specs won't blow up the hardware, then they can safely provide the warranty themselves. But clearly they don't trust their cards as much as they would like to. So yea, it is all about the money. Both on Nvidia and AIC's part.

#4424330

BLEH!

2012-10-05 00:58

Isn't this kinda thing fixable at the BIOS level, as in, if someone writes a custom BIOS for the nVidia cards?

#4424346

rflair

Moderator

2012-10-05 01:21

My response wouldn't change. I know the risk of overvolting and if something happens, i'll take responsibility for it.

I would also, but we both know many would just RMA something that was of their own doing. I actually see this more as the AIB partners responsibility and trying to protect their best interests, after all Nvidia did say if you want to do this then those cards, all and any that come back for RMA are your responsibility for what ever reason the issue is.

#4424350

Neo Cyrus

2012-10-05 01:28

Sounds like nVidia are not confident in their products. I've had this horrible excuse for a video card overvolted to hell and back and I've had it since the start of 2011 (IIRC), it shows no signs of degradation. Wow, I never even thought of how long I've had it, I've never had a high end video card hang on this long. Usually I have to replace them after a year or suffer crappy performance in the latest games. That just shows how horribly progress has slowed down and I blame it all on consoles and their crappy 2005 technology.

#4424358

Mufflore

2012-10-05 01:41

My take on it is this: People worked out how to make gfx cards run faster. This generated a market that gained competition, mfrs provided the tools to do the job because customers demanded it. NVidia set the limits for clocking based on what wont harm the cards but tried to give us the max possible, so they are pushing the boundaries. Sometimes the limits are set a bit too high, but it takes time to find out some problems. Thus to remain safe, the limit has to be lowered if a problem appears. I dont see there is a need to lay blame, its just one of those things. They have been nice enough to us, sometimes we cant have it all.

#4424387

sykozis

2012-10-05 03:33

I'm kinda with Phase on this one. If I want to push 12V through my GPU....where does NVidia have the right to tell me I can't?? I own the card. They forfeited all rights to it the day I bought it.

#4424391

rflair

Moderator

2012-10-05 03:40

I'm kinda with Phase on this one. If I want to push 12V through my GPU....where does NVidia have the right to tell me I can't?? I own the card. They forfeited all rights to it the day I bought it.

Yes but he also said he would not RMA because the fault was his, I have seen cases on other sites where people have fried cards repeatedly and RMA them every time. And also the topic at hand is not what end users do, it is the agreement Nvidia has with its AIB partners.

#4424394

Denial

2012-10-05 03:47

I'd be interested to know how the the supposedly reduced number of RMA's will stack up against the expected reduced sales from the cards being castrated.... This can only be good for AMD.

I dunno, I can't really see classified cards providing any type of significant revenue to Nvidia. It's probably better to avoid a 590 fiasco then not selling a few chips to EVGA.

#4424403

sykozis

2012-10-05 04:09

Yes but he also said he would not RMA because the fault was his, I have seen cases on other sites where people have fried cards repeatedly and RMA them every time. And also the topic at hand is not what end users do, it is the agreement Nvidia has with its AIB partners.

I've overheated my HD4850 more times than I can count. Currently, it's pretty useless for anything other than web-browsing and watching movies. It artifacts in every game/benchmark.....it's sitting on my shelf. Won't sell it....won't throw it away. It was still under warranty when it started to artifact, but Diamond knows nothing of it....not that they could find out since "after sales support" is non-existant with them... The AIBs are limited what we can do with the cards, because NVidia wants them to. Thus, it's NVidia's will being forced on us.

#4424420

sykozis

2012-10-05 04:31

If I was worried about frying my graphics cards....I wouldn't forget to plug their fans in....lol On a more serious note....I kinda like that idea Phaze.

#4424425

sykozis

2012-10-05 04:39

I miss BFG....

#4424439

Neo Cyrus

2012-10-05 04:54

Indeed, BFG actually answered their phones. I had to make long distance calls since at the time they had no line in Canada but whatever.

#4424443

sykozis

2012-10-05 04:58

BFG actually had personnel posting on this forum....actively... I had several interactions with them on this forum, through e-mail and on the phone... Very friendly people willing to go out of their way to resolve your problem....even if it's not the fault of their hardware. They offered me a "no questions asked" RMA when Win7 first launched cuz I couldn't get it installed with my GTX275 installed. Never went through with it....but the fact they offered it meant a lot... Turned out to be a compatibility issue between the card and motherboard in the end. You just don't get that kind of service these days...

#4424446

sykozis

2012-10-05 05:02

Yep....had many, many dealings with BFGZap.... I probably drove him/her crazy with PM's at Win7's launch trying to get Win7 to install without BSOD...

#4424449

Neo Cyrus

2012-10-05 05:09

...... Incompatibility between the card and the mobo? Lolwut, I would have went nuts trying to figure that out.

#4424622

Mufflore

2012-10-05 12:04

You may be talking about KFA2, they are Galaxies high performance cards. Best avoided, I own their GTX580 with Accelero Extreme cooler, nightmare company. See here, post #2: http://forums.guru3d.com/showthread.php?t=355543

I have the KFA2 GTX580. Cant recommend the company at all. The first card I had fell apart as it literally wasnt screwed together! Getting them to sort it out was really hard work, they kept passing me to different people and didnt pass on the information I had given them. Even the managers did this! They insisted I upload a copy of my invoice as proof of ownership but would not provide any secure way to upload it and the site it is stored on isnt secure either! There are more problems, I cant remember them all. I had to push them really hard to get it sorted and if it wasnt for my continual effort, I would have had to rebuild the card myself and lose the warranty! Avoid.

It was worse than that, I have a log of what happened. Dreadful service.