New Reports indicate Amazons New World-MMO is again bricking NVIDIA Geforce cards

Storm Alert

2021-09-30 12:57

Wrinkly:

I'm calling user error here. I've never had a GPU fail. You also need to consider that people in PC gaming are buying Nvidia cards due to superior feature sets such as RT and AI. In comparison people are avoiding AMD for such poor performance so you won't see the same number of failed GPUs.

Don' t be so daft. They were in three different PC's owned by three different people (work colleagues). The 980 ti I owned there was some noise on several technical forums in 2018 about premature failing of that particular Gigabyte model.

#5950567

JOHN30011887

2021-09-30 13:50

Memorian:

Yeah right..Check the reddit to see how many RTX have bad placement of pads or not having at all. Even the ''premium'' ones.

Yup, i agree, to me Evga and the word Premium are never to be put together in a sentence, from power units to gpu's a few of my friends have had plenty issues in the past, and i once had a psu from Evga that was so cheaply made it put me off, prefer Corsair for psu and Asus or Msi for gpu, with that combo iv never had anymore issues But yeah each to there own and what not, if anyone likes Evga then good for you, im just speaking from my experiences and what my friends have had too

#5950569

Kaarme

2021-09-30 13:52

Astyanax:

as someone who knows what the hardware can and should take, you're out of your depth in this discussion and need to sit back and be silent to learn. properly designed products can take a power virus and not die, when improper design or defective manufacturing are in play, anything at any point can result in these products crapping out. It is not up to software to prevent hardware from melting down.

Be careful when getting down from your high horse. You might twist your ankles and drop your video card. Also, buy a horse with shorter legs because now you are so high you couldn't even read my post properly. I never denied the need for cards to be able to handle it without breaking. It doesn't mean the software should do it. You apparently enjoy listening to your video card's fans spinning up to 3000+ rpm in the game menu. I don't. Personal opinion and taste, I guess. But then again, maybe you have liquid cooled your card and never hear a thing.

#5950602

H83

2021-09-30 14:55

I simply can´t understand how a game can brick a GPU... 😱

#5950605

Ghosty

2021-09-30 14:57

H83:

I simply can´t understand how a game can brick a GPU... 😱

We are dealing with a higher intelligence.

#5950608

MonstroMart

2021-09-30 15:01

Kaarme:

It absolutely is poor programming for a game menu to cause fps to jump up to the stratosphere. Yes, I have seen it myself and it's annoying to go to the drivers to limit the fps of a game because of that. Imagine you bought a regular car but it always revved up to 4000 rpm on its own when idling, without you even touching the pedal, for no sensible reason. I bet you'd go to the dealer and ask what wtf is going on. However, obviously the video card shouldn't fail permanently. It should be able to protect itself from its own functionality, especially when it's not overclocked by the user.

The cars revving up to 4000 rpm on its own is the not same as a game being uncap. It would be more akin to buying a new car and putting Michelin tires on it would make it rev up to 4000 rpm. The GPU should have protections built in. It's 2022 soon not 1995.

H83:

I simply can´t understand how a game can brick a GPU... 😱

I don't either not in 2021. But the hates toward Amazon is so big i would take this news with a big grain of salt personally.

#5950615

fry178

2021-09-30 15:15

@Undying still not sure why you think you "decide" what is or isnt overpriced. last time i checked, thats up to the buyer nothing prevented you to say "improperly/crappy.." do love to hear from all those "only buying evga.."

#5950616

Kaarme

2021-09-30 15:18

MonstroMart:

The cars revving up to 4000 rpm on its own is the not same as a game being uncap. It would be more akin to buying a new car and putting Michelin tires on it would make it rev up to 4000 rpm. The GPU should have protections built in. It's 2022 soon not 1995.

What's the point of the game menu being uncapped? You aren't going to miss any shots in the game menu. It will just make a video card fans scream and make it eat maximum power for no reason whatsoever. Someone even mentioned it happening in MP when you are waiting for your turn. Car idling is basically useless for the intended purpose of a car, moving, although it does keep the electric systems running without a fear of the battery running low. Consequently cars are typically tuned to idle at low rpm, maybe as low as they can be while 100% reliably running. It's no excuse for a card failing, a proper card won't break itself, but it's still half-assed programming if you ask me.

#5950617

MonstroMart

2021-09-30 15:19

Kaarme:

What's the point of the game menu being uncapped? You aren't going to miss any shots in the game menu. It will just make a video card fans scream and make it eat maximum power for no reason whatsoever. Someone even mentioned it happening in MP when you are waiting for your turn. Car idling is basically useless for the intended purpose of a car, moving, although it does keep the electric systems running without a fear of the battery running low. Consequently cars are typically tuned to idle at low rpm, maybe as low as they can be while 100% reliably running. It's no excuse for a card failing, a proper card won't break itself, but it's still half-assed programming if you ask me.

What's the point of a card allowing fps so high it will brick it? Why not cap it via drivers to the maximum refresh rate of current monitors? I'm not disagreeing with you that games are badly coded btw and yeah the menu should be capped. But why such a big focus on Amazon while pretty much all big game devs code like **** starting with Activision (**** Activision). I mean it's been this way for so long without bricking any cards and now all of a sudden Amazon releases a game and woahhh it bricks cards and it makes headlines. I dunno it feels strange to me specially since the hate some people devote to Amazon is borderline crazy. I'm a coder myself and i don't see how in 2021 i could unintentionally brick a piece of hardware with my coding. It's very very very hard for me as an experienced dev with over 20 years of experience to believe this news. It's like that news about the Chinese government spying on people using Intel CPUs. It made all big headlines back then and was never really denied by any media to my knowledge even though it was 120% BS.

#5950618

Kaarme

2021-09-30 15:29

MonstroMart:

What's the point of a card allowing fps so high it will brick it?

Don't ask me. I said in all of my posts that no proper card will do that. My issue is not that, it's that some studios don't bother to spare gamers from fan noise, coil whine, and extra power use in the menus, even though it makes zero difference for the functionality of the game. A game being uncapped during the actual gameplay is a different thing, of course.

#5950626

TimmyP

2021-09-30 16:04

Undying:

Evga the most effected is a premium brand. Should not be happening.

Evga has absolutely NEVER been a premium card. They have had poor manufacturing quality since at least 2012 when their fan blades were paper thin and something like a MSI variant weighed 5-7 lbs more because they use actual copper. Evga took advantage of the fact that most people dont get the opportunity to directly compare. Glad to see it finally catching up to them.

#5950631

RED.Misfit

2021-09-30 16:18

Undying:

Imagine buying a super overpriced gpu and the game bricks it. That is just beyond sucking.

So far the game only broke defective cards that couldn't support being pushed really hard (more than normal usage yeah, but still flawed cards !)

#5950632

TLD LARS

2021-09-30 16:18

As far as i understand, the uncapped menu problem was fixed during last beta, these new defective cards would be under normal gameplay. I played 8 hours New World with my half defective Vega 64, no problem at all, it actually looked and ran surprisingly good on my hardware.

#5950645

southamptonfc

2021-09-30 17:04

Astyanax:

as someone who knows what the hardware can and should take, you're out of your depth in this discussion and need to sit back and be silent to learn. properly designed products can take a power virus and not die, when improper design or defective manufacturing are in play, anything at any point can result in these products crapping out. It is not up to software to prevent hardware from melting down.

Hmm, if I was the developer, I'd make sure my menus and similar are capped at 60fps. There's no need to burn 400W for 10 mins while you go get some food. Of course the hardware shouldn't be able to be killed by software but that's not an excuse for lazy software design.

#5950652

Mineria

2021-09-30 17:18

Kaarme:

What's the point of the game menu being uncapped? You aren't going to miss any shots in the game menu. It will just make a video card fans scream and make it eat maximum power for no reason whatsoever. Someone even mentioned it happening in MP when you are waiting for your turn. Car idling is basically useless for the intended purpose of a car, moving, although it does keep the electric systems running without a fear of the battery running low. Consequently cars are typically tuned to idle at low rpm, maybe as low as they can be while 100% reliably running. It's no excuse for a card failing, a proper card won't break itself, but it's still half-assed programming if you ask me.

Indeed, pretty lazy developer perspective to let fps run loose, same as Nvidia's developers not preventing such on the driver side. Propper cars turn of their engine when you wait for green, not so good and idea for a GPU though.:D

#5950663

Glottiz

2021-09-30 17:42

Intelligence took a nose dive on this forum. People blaming the game and developers... LMAO. The only ones to blame here are certain companies producing crappy, low quality, cost saving, corner cutting, bad QA graphics cards. All this game does is exposes how crappy your graphics card is. If it's not this game, then some other game will kill your defective card in the future.

#5950672

Denial

2021-09-30 18:22

ChipBoundary:

You do realize DOTA was a mod to an RTS game, right? Regardless, competitive games, in fact anything competitive is for the lowest common denominator of humanity. The sole purpose of competing is to prove that you are a better human being. Attempting to do that shows you are human garbage. Not to mention games like that are insanely boring and repetitive. In most MMO's there is insane amounts of variety.

Wut - I don't agree with his take on MMOs but this take on competitiveness is just as bad.

#5950673

toyo

2021-09-30 18:29

ChipBoundary:

You do realize DOTA was a mod to an RTS game, right? Regardless, competitive games, in fact anything competitive is for the lowest common denominator of humanity. The sole purpose of competing is to prove that you are a better human being. Attempting to do that shows you are human garbage. Not to mention games like that are insanely boring and repetitive. In most MMO's there is insane amounts of variety.

WoW raiding was just as competitive as a MOBA when it used to be relevant. Also competition is good and drives humans to excel. It's all baked in our genetics. Just because you can't excel at something shouldn't make you this resentful towards those that can.

#5950681

Astyanax

2021-09-30 19:05

ChipBoundary:

You understand nothing of computer tech if you genuinely believe that. This happened when StarCraft 2 came out, and the menu was bricking GPU's regardless of brand because it would generate unlimited frames. Blizzard fixed it by capping the frames at like 200 or something like that. Problem immediately solved. Hell, I could write a program right now that generates insane amounts of simple frames and it would brick every card out there. No malicious code or hacking needed. Hardware does whatever software tells it to. Even if it is stupid for the hardware to do that.

starcraft 2's framerate had nothing to do with the actual problem. the actual problem was the Tesla 200 cards shipped with a supbar power delivery, demonstrated most on the 295 that could boost itself into failure. the power virus limiting was in response to this on fermi so they could keep using subpar power delivery, a properly made 10, 20 or 30 series card should handle power virus's with no sudden death scenario's and a 1000fps menu shouldn't be any more likely to kill a quality made card anymore than 100%ing the chip to achieve variable gsync framerates.

#5950688

Noisiv

2021-09-30 19:18

Mineria:

Indeed, pretty lazy developer perspective to let fps run loose, same as Nvidia's developers not preventing such on the driver side.

Lazy or not - it doesn't matter. FPS running capped, uncapped or even doing whatever shouldn't kill the card. And we all know this. BTW I am pretty sure that the original culprit was bad caps or sumting similar hw wise.