just goes to show how bad most mobo pcie 5.0 heatsinks are
not a fan of pcie 5.0 drives on budget to midrange boards. in fact, unless you have a definite use case scenario, not a fan of 5.0 drives in general
I remember the days of bulky huge, heavy and massive cpu coolers before the AIO boom and let me tell you this heads to the same direction. Only a matter of time Noctua gets the hint of things and starts to develop and manufacture these heatsinks 😀:D:D
Nice to see a well designed heatsink for a change instead of those super lazy blocks of metal with no surface and 1 or 2 fans attached.
Suddenly Gen 5 looks like no problem at all to cool.
Nice to see a well designed heatsink for a change instead of those super lazy blocks of metal with no surface and 1 or 2 fans attached.
Suddenly Gen 5 looks like no problem at all to cool.
The bigger question is, who actually needs 12 GB/s sustained read/write speeds !?
Would games ever benefit from those speeds, i mean as in real time loading data for levels, or do current RAM sizes negate that kind of speed.
A game i play a lot is the DCS flight sim and there is an option to specify how much game data is pre loaded into the RAM so having 64gb as i do see maybe over 40gb being used in game, im assuming this means less time is spent accessing the drive.
Nice to see a well designed heatsink for a change instead of those super lazy blocks of metal with no surface and 1 or 2 fans attached.
Suddenly Gen 5 looks like no problem at all to cool.
not quite.
in the real world mobos differ, gpu may be in the way and in the vast majority of cases there is no room or air flow at the location.
if you have a secondary pcie5.0 M.2 slot that isn't next to the pcie slots (rare) then this might be a good thing if you're needing that kind of throughput
not quite.
in the real world mobos differ, gpu may be in the way and in the vast majority of cases there is no room or air flow at the location.
if you have a secondary pcie5.0 M.2 slot that isn't next to the pcie slots (rare) then this might be a good thing if you're needing that kind of throughput
Ok im thinking anybody going for this kind of drive is a high end user, and would in all likelyhood use WCing so may not need the best case airflow, which might be an issue as im sure that heatsink would benifit from som direct airflow.
not quite.
in the real world mobos differ, gpu may be in the way and in the vast majority of cases there is no room or air flow at the location.
if you have a secondary pcie5.0 M.2 slot that isn't next to the pcie slots (rare) then this might be a good thing if you're needing that kind of throughput
This is an option that pretty much did not exist 1 month ago, only other drives with good passive coolers I have seen, has not been 12 GB/s drives.
It clears my GPU no problem in both desktop and mediacenter pc and in the mediacenter hot box it will have plenty of cooling overhead to run at full speed.
It might not clear a Noctua tower cooler, so the design is not perfect.
The 2 bottom slots on my Asrock B650e steel legend would be perfect with those small towers in front of the GPU fans, sadly they are only gen 4.
wavetrex:
The bigger question is, who actually needs 12 GB/s sustained read/write speeds !?
Not many needs 12GB/s speeds, but try and copy small random files like the windows or a game folder, my shiny gen 4 drive is below 1GB/s a lot of the time.
Compress all the small garbage files to 1 big file and I am able to hit 5GB/s most of the time.
So maybe this 12GB/s drive kan run at 3-5GB/s when moving small random files.
So maybe this 12GB/s drive kan run at 3-5GB/s when moving small random files.
Well, the thing is, no it can't.
Linear transfer speed has improved a lot lately, but random access (called "4K", from transferring single clusters of 4096 bytes) did not. A gen 3, 4 or 5 transfers lots of small files about the same speed, +/- 10%, if you're lucky.
I have a Gen4 (very recent, high end) and a Gen3 (Also high-end) and no matter on which one of them I put my work files ( and I work in video editing, which is quite demanding ! ), the feeling is about the same. Literally can't tell on which one of the drives my project is.
I don't expect Gen5 to be any different.
Well, the thing is, no it can't.
Linear transfer speed has improved a lot lately, but random access (called "4K", from transferring single clusters of 4096 bytes) did not. A gen 3, 4 or 5 transfers lots of small files about the same speed, +/- 10%, if you're lucky.
I have a Gen4 (very recent, high end) and a Gen3 (Also high-end) and no matter on which one of them I put my work files ( and I work in video editing, which is quite demanding ! ), the feeling is about the same. Literally can't tell on which one of the drives my project is.
I don't expect Gen5 to be any different.
The RANDOM READ 4KB UP TO (IOPS) is doubled on this drive compared to a top gen 4, that should translate to higher performance.
The RANDOM READ 4KB UP TO (IOPS) is doubled on this drive compared to a top gen 4, that should translate to higher performance.
Good luck seeing that in practice.
Looking a synthetic, since there's no other way to directly compare, this is my used and abused Gen3:
And the Gen4
Same settings as here:
https://www.guru3d.com/review/msi-spatium-m570-pro-pcie-50-nvme-m2-frozr-12gb-s/page-9/ (100, 382)
Yes, there is progress, but it's small. Well, maybe not 10% like I stated, it's more like 25%, but that most likely comes from much faster platform. I'm sure my drives would score a tiny bit better on that 7950X3D ... my own testing is done on old by now 5800X.
Actual observed performance in normal use is even less than this synthetic test difference.
Where the major difference comes from is switch from SATA protocol to NVME. Here's a test on SATA SSDs which I also have in my system:
Yeah, this is significant !
However, once on NVMe, there's very little incentive, if at all, to upgrade from a Gen3 drive.
However, once on NVMe, there's very little incentive, if at all, to upgrade from a Gen3 drive.
totally.
i keep a small volume gen 4 drive as my boot for faster updating/booting.
but both my mobo mass storage and NAS are using gen 3 only. and as you said the jump from SATA is enormous
Good luck seeing that in practice.
Looking a synthetic, since there's no other way to directly compare, this is my used and abused Gen3:
And the Gen4
Same settings as here:
https://www.guru3d.com/review/msi-spatium-m570-pro-pcie-50-nvme-m2-frozr-12gb-s/page-9/ (100, 382)
Yes, there is progress, but it's small. Well, maybe not 10% like I stated, it's more like 25%, but that most likely comes from much faster platform. I'm sure my drives would score a tiny bit better on that 7950X3D ... my own testing is done on old by now 5800X.
Actual observed performance in normal use is even less than this synthetic test difference.
Where the major difference comes from is switch from SATA protocol to NVME. Here's a test on SATA SSDs which I also have in my system:
Yeah, this is significant !
However, once on NVMe, there's very little incentive, if at all, to upgrade from a Gen3 drive.
You just have a pretty good Gen 4 disk to begin with, so that is maybe the reason for the good results.
Mine are not as fast at random and the MSI is close to twice the speed of my disks.
And the Gen4
Same settings as here: https://www.guru3d.com/review/msi-spatium-m570-pro-pcie-50-nvme-m2-frozr-12gb-s/page-9/ (100, 382) Yes, there is progress, but it's small. Well, maybe not 10% like I stated, it's more like 25%, but that most likely comes from much faster platform. I'm sure my drives would score a tiny bit better on that 7950X3D ... my own testing is done on old by now 5800X. Actual observed performance in normal use is even less than this synthetic test difference. Where the major difference comes from is switch from SATA protocol to NVME. Here's a test on SATA SSDs which I also have in my system:
Yeah, this is significant ! However, once on NVMe, there's very little incentive, if at all, to upgrade from a Gen3 drive.