More Vega Frontier Edition Performance Numbers Surface

#5448163

cryohellinc

2017-06-30 16:00

Not bad for a not gaming GPU. 🙂

#5448166

Lowki

2017-06-30 16:08

I see it now people are going to be flocking saying oh its not better then the 1080 ti. The fact is it doesnt matter if its priced to compete. Im waiting to see the rx sales price and benchmarks, may be my next gpu.

#5448168

Noisiv

2017-06-30 16:15

So basically wins some, loses some. [spoiler] Against GTX 1070 that is :hatty: [/spoiler]

#5448170

Agent-A01

2017-06-30 16:19

The arguement "is not a gaming gpu' is not one. If they provide gaming mode, then it's meant for gaming. Plus no to mention that NV Quadro cards with Quadro drivers still perform the same as the same geforce equivalent. Example, Quadro P6000 is as fast as titan xP They kinda screwed themselves marketing gaming in it, they should have taken that out.

#5448180

Silva

2017-06-30 16:40

So basically wins some, loses some. [spoiler] Against GTX 1070 that is :hatty: [/spoiler]

Trolls have to be trolls.

The arguement "is not a gaming gpu' is not one. If they provide gaming mode, then it's meant for gaming. Plus no to mention that NV Quadro cards with Quadro drivers still perform the same as the same geforce equivalent. Example, Quadro P6000 is as fast as titan xP They kinda screwed themselves marketing gaming in it, they should have taken that out.

The card has no drivers, just because it says gaming it doesn't mean it will work. Let's wait for the proper consumer products and reviews.

#5448188

riot83

2017-06-30 16:59

Well it's stupid for AMD to show benches in computational stuff against the Titan Xp and not Quadro cards and then expect not to compare those to cards in gaming also.

#5448200

Seikon

2017-06-30 17:16

As a RX480 user , il say this , i kinda knew all this would hapend when they stoped to hype VEGA , was 90% shure it will be a fail product , i really hope AMD next time would stop developing stupid product's VEGA was nothing but a money sink , they literaly burned money , why they had to bother with all the HBM2 still make's me mad, in stead they should have just focused to make a bigger refined polaris chip to beat @ least the 1080 but cheaper , but no they got stuborn with all the HBM2 crap , while NVIDIA milks the market whil normal gddr5 , i even lost all hope for NAVI to , i dout GPU division from AMD can do anything @ this point. We will for shure have the same problem but with gpus that happend with cpu's , nvidia will lead for some year's to come while AMD will try to keep it's head above the wather .

#5448210

Denial

2017-06-30 17:29

The gaming mode is only here for that gaming develloppers can test their games without moving to another plateform ..

Then call it game development mode and don't put this on your website:

I Just Want to Game If you want to game on a Windows® platform, get your driver here and switch to “Gaming Mode.”

https://pro.radeon.com/en-us/product/radeon-vega-frontier-edition/ Or better yet, don't release a card with no clear target for what it should be used for.

#5448222

Noisiv

2017-06-30 17:54

Well it's stupid for AMD to show benches in computational stuff against the Titan Xp and not Quadro cards and then expect not to compare those to cards in gaming also.

Touche :banana:

#5448225

wavetrex

2017-06-30 18:02

It's pretty clear why they kept delaying it, and delaying it more. Not HBM2... ... but the lackluster performance. I am an ATI (well, AMD) fan, have used all their generations since X850 Pro, all the way through X1950 later a big jump to R4870, then 6950, then 7970GE ... but I stopped after. Because they simply lost, and continue losing to this day. Sad, but true. I was really hoping for a comeback with Vega, but seems that is not going to happen. Competitive price or not, it is a slower and more inefficient GPU than nVidia's offerings from last year.

#5448230

MorganX

2017-06-30 18:14

Optimistic here Well, I guess I'm the only person that's pretty optimistic at this point. With results being inconsistent and all over the place (clearly driver related), the clock speed not actually reaching 1600 but averaging 1400, not having optimized gaming drivers, running software none of which written to take advantage of any of it's advanced features (alleged features anyway), and no DX12 or Vulkan, yet still manages to be in 1080ti territory here, 1080 there, 1070 over there, I'm looking forward to the gaming variant, optimized drivers, and modern games to take advantage of the architecture. But most of all, price/performance. I don't have a 1080 now, so if I can flirt with 1080ti at a price point below current 1080 prices, plus get Freesync out of the deal, I'll be good.

#5448239

JamesSneed

2017-06-30 18:28

AMD already said that the gaming drivers are just that, meant for gaming. Beyond3d confirmed this as well, and PCWORLD was told by AMD that they can benchmark in private, with AMD monitoring the tests, the card's gaming performance against the 1080. Stop making excuses.

Why don't people just run non gaming tests, you know the usual tests pro cards get run through other than games that would end the its the drivers thought process? I'm not saying it is the drivers but there is a easy way to find out .

#5448245

Reddoguk

2017-06-30 18:37

Jim Keller saved them once, maybe he could come back and build them a better GPU.

#5448253

Denial

2017-06-30 18:56

it does seem gaming mode is to facilitate people testing on the same machine for now. If Rx Vega does come with better drivers I expect Vega FE will have an improved gaming mode. I'm seeing p5000 at ~$1800 to 2000 where did you see $850?

I think he confused the P5000 and the P4000. P4000 is ~$850 but it only trades blows with the FE, it doesn't definitively beat it. It is a 180w part though.

Why don't people just run non gaming tests, you know the usual tests pro cards get run through other than games that would end the its the drivers thought process? I'm not saying it is the drivers but there is a easy way to find out .

HPC is where I think Vega is going to shine more than anywhere, but the drivers aren't available yet, so testing is kind of pointless. Workstation has been tested and it performs roughly equivalent to Nvidia's $850 Quadro card - which is essentially a 1080 with optimized drivers. So if anything the workstation tests just further confirms the entire card performs similarly to a 1080 in general.

As far as I know, AMD didn't do any benchmarks with the FE, so comparing it to an NV card in gaming isn't a problem, but drawing conclusions from it is in my opinion. If Raja didn't lie to the consumers, the RX Vegas will be faster than the FE. Anyway, if those will "only" have 1070, 1080 or 1080Ti performance and priced around them or below, than you have choice! Priced above them with same or less performance will be another Fury 2.0 story. But anyway, if you get enough fps from those for a good price, paired with a Freesync monitor, you spare hundred(s of) dollar(s) because of G-Sync monitor prices.

They benchmark the FE against the Titan Xp right on their landing page: https://pro.radeon.com/en-us/product/radeon-vega-frontier-edition/

Tile-based Rasterization was not used for these tests and neither were gaming drivers for Vega, which will be out in one month with RX Vega. So what these gimped benches ACTUALLY show us is that RX Vega will be a MONSTER gaming GPU.

Tile Rasterization doesn't improve performance in all workloads - Nvidia dynamically enables/disables it based on the application. It's more useful in memory bandwidth bottlenecked situations as the ROPs don't have to constantly fetch data from memory, only from L2. It's mostly a power savings feature rather than a performance one. As for the drivers, I think they are immature and performance will improve but I doubt it's going to suddenly add 30+% performance to the card.

#5448258

pharma

2017-06-30 19:04

Pls delete

#5448280

Hapatingjaky

2017-06-30 20:11

On r/AMD they are talking about wasted die space and energy making up for the pipeline deficiencies of GCN. If this is true even with improvements in the driver on performance it will still be a power hog. That falls on Raja, no?

No, as this card was already in the pipe when Raja came onboard, there was really nothing that could be done to change it without really really delaying it. More so then it already is. Navi is the card designed 100% under Raja and this is where AMD may be able to compete with Nvidia in the high end.

#5448296

Denial

2017-06-30 20:43

No, as this card was already in the pipe when Raja came onboard, there was really nothing that could be done to change it without really really delaying it. More so then it already is. Navi is the card designed 100% under Raja and this is where AMD may be able to compete with Nvidia in the high end.

There is no way the design portion of Vega was finalized in April of 2013. He definitely had influence over various aspects of it. 100%? Probably not - but he isn't going to have 100% under Navi either. There has never been a complete redesign of a GPU architecture. Even major architectural shifts like G80/R600 borrowed aspects from previous designs. That being said, I don't think Raja is to blame if Vega falls flat. There is a hundred reasons why that would occur, the largest one being lack of funding. AMD's R&D budget is like half of Nvidia's now and I'd estimate that 75% of that was dedicated to Zen for the last several years. That fact that AMD can even ship competitive products to Nvidia is testament to how good the engineers at RTG are.

I meant gaming benchmarks..

Fair enough.

#5448315

PrMinisterGR

2017-06-30 22:01

On r/AMD they are talking about wasted die space and energy making up for the pipeline deficiencies of GCN. If this is true even with improvements in the driver on performance it will still be a power hog. That falls on Raja, no?

How can anyone know that unless they have the actual chip diagram? Most people on Reddit truly talk out of their a*s, don't even compare their general level to the people here or in other tech forums.

#5448317

PrMinisterGR

2017-06-30 22:01

There is no way the design portion of Vega was finalized in April of 2013. He definitely had influence over various aspects of it. 100%? Probably not - but he isn't going to have 100% under Navi either. There has never been a complete redesign of a GPU architecture. Even major architectural shifts like G80/R600 borrowed aspects from previous designs. That being said, I don't think Raja is to blame if Vega falls flat. There is a hundred reasons why that would occur, the largest one being lack of funding. AMD's R&D budget is like half of Nvidia's now and I'd estimate that 75% of that was dedicated to Zen for the last several years. That fact that AMD can even ship competitive products to Nvidia is testament to how good the engineers at RTG are. Fair enough.

Didn't he admit, on video, that AMD basically called quits on GPU R&D post-Hawaii?

#5448320

Aura89

2017-06-30 22:08

The arguement "is not a gaming gpu' is not one. If they provide gaming mode, then it's meant for gaming.

That's just not true. How can you be so blinded by this idea that a "gaming mode" somehow magically means it has optimized, purposeful drivers for gaming? Are you trying to intentionally spread fud?