Graphics card prices are never returning to normal unless AMD start actually supplying some, and Ethereum crashes. Neither of those are happening in the predictable future. The situation for Canada is one of the worst, we have few options, and one of them recently went bankrupt taking its sister company down with it. That leaves Amazon who only has stock of nVidia cards, no Vegas, and NewEgg who again don't have Vega. Both of their prices on 1070/1080 are just gradually going up. Both of which I want to point out charge severely more on their Candian sites. Example: $99 cooler with no taxes and free shipping? That'll be $141 + tax + shipping for you dirty Canadians (both Amazon and NewEgg). Remember when I said we're never getting the full-blown high end nVidia chips ever again for "normal" prices after the first Titan was released? Honestly it feels as if they don't give a single fuck about the gaming demographic anymore and are just pumping out anything they can at any price hoping miners buy it.

Neo Cyrus:

Graphics card prices are never returning to normal unless AMD start actually supplying some, and Ethereum crashes. Neither of those are happening in the predictable future. The situation for Canada is one of the worst, we have few options, and one of them recently went bankrupt taking its sister company down with it. That leaves Amazon who only has stock of nVidia cards, no Vegas, and NewEgg who again don't have Vega. Both of their prices on 1070/1080 are just gradually going up. Both of which I want to point out charge severely more on their Candian sites. Example: $99 cooler with no taxes and free shipping? That'll be $141 + tax + shipping for you dirty Canadians (both Amazon and NewEgg). Remember when I said we're never getting the full-blown high end nVidia chips ever again for "normal" prices after the first Titan was released? Honestly it feels as if they don't give a single frack about the gaming demographic anymore and are just pumping out anything they can at any price hoping miners buy it.

Hey buddy, let me give you an invitation to a wonderful country of Latvia which imports EVERYTHING. Card that costs 600$ in US? That will be 950 Euro please in this Hole. Add on top of it wages that are 10 times lower and you get a "great" value. And with your Wages, let me tell you, you have it Easy.

Honestly with supply on demand as it is it makes sense why gpus are so expensive. It sucks but from a business sense it's smart. As for this increase this makes perfect sense if anything it might be kinda small. With inflation going up around 1-5% depending where you are in the world this looks like it's just increasing with that

It would help, for a while, if the memory manufacturing cartel was broken. But who knows how that could happen. I don't have much faith in the South Korean or the current US government doing anything about cartels.

Neo Cyrus:

Graphics card prices are never returning to normal unless AMD start actually supplying some, and Ethereum crashes. Neither of those are happening in the predictable future. The situation for Canada is one of the worst, we have few options, and one of them recently went bankrupt taking its sister company down with it. That leaves Amazon who only has stock of nVidia cards, no Vegas, and NewEgg who again don't have Vega. Both of their prices on 1070/1080 are just gradually going up. Both of which I want to point out charge severely more on their Candian sites. Example: $99 cooler with no taxes and free shipping? That'll be $141 + tax + shipping for you dirty Canadians (both Amazon and NewEgg). Remember when I said we're never getting the full-blown high end nVidia chips ever again for "normal" prices after the first Titan was released? Honestly it feels as if they don't give a single frack about the gaming demographic anymore and are just pumping out anything they can at any price hoping miners buy it.

Actually Ethereum mining is coming to end for GPU's, expected to happen sometime early 2018 once Casper upgrade to protocol is released. It's currently in testing an is going well, the switch from PoW (proof of work) to PoS (proof of stake) will eliminate all GPU mining for Ethereum.

Wasn't Monero the current high-yield crypto currency though? Vega performing amazingly well with it although their current driver isn't quite as optimized with it's auto profile so people are using the blockchain driver to get the most out of the cards mining speed.

And how long do you need to run to make 1 enherium, e.g. current gpus or even my 980ti?

-Tj-:

And how long do you need to run to make 1 enherium, e.g. current gpus or even my 980ti?

Believe your card can do around 24MH/s so will be making about 0.08 ETH per month. My 1070 can do 33MH/s @ 110 watts makes 0.12 ETH a month roughly at current levels of difficulty. With NV cards their more optimised for Zcash, with both 980 ti and 1070 doing similar hash rates.

Ah so little, meh pointless. It better die soon and let gpu prices go back to normal.

Yeah was far more profitable to mine around may/june of last year, then whole scene kind exploded in popularity making difficulty go sky high. Got total of 250MH/s myself with 4 RX570's churning out 29.5MH/s each. Three 290x churn out 96MH/s.

I know this is going to sound like Blasphemy around these parts, but this is exactly why my friends and I (which are (and always have been) huge PC gamers) have picked up PS4 Pros. The current state of the hardware market is fucked. Seriously who wants to drop $2,000 a year in upgrades to play a PC game that requires about 9 patches before it works properly anyway. So now for me FPS and competitive multiplayer games will always be played on the PC (most of these games can be run on a Potato anyway). Everything else - Console.

cryohellinc:

Hey buddy, let me give you an invitation to a wonderful country of Latvia which imports EVERYTHING. Card that costs 600$ in US? That will be 950 Euro please in this Hole. Add on top of it wages that are 10 times lower and you get a "great" value. And with your Wages, let me tell you, you have it Easy.

Brofist from Romania, I know the feeling. Having at 1080Ti here feels like having a Titan V in the US... 😳 Despite this, I think my 1080Ti which I bought at launch was actually a decent deal. Immediately afterwards the prices went up (and still are) even further and thanks to the meh Vega performance I'm pretty sure Volta will be even more overpriced and overmilked before a "1180Ti" eventually comes out. What pissed me off though is that if I would have hold on on selling my 1070 I would have gotten a lot more for it this fall when the shortages were insane. I agree though, GPUs won't get any cheaper, might as well get used to it or hold on what we have for as long as possible.

k3vst3r:

Actually Ethereum mining is coming to end for GPU's, expected to happen sometime early 2018 once Casper upgrade to protocol is released. It's currently in testing an is going well, the switch from PoW (proof of work) to PoS (proof of stake) will eliminate all GPU mining for Ethereum.

Finally some good news.

k3vst3r:

Actually Ethereum mining is coming to end for GPU's, expected to happen sometime early 2018 once Casper upgrade to protocol is released. It's currently in testing an is going well, the switch from PoW (proof of work) to PoS (proof of stake) will eliminate all GPU mining for Ethereum.

I don't know squat about that, please explain how that will stop people from using standard GPUs to mine?

cryohellinc:

And with your Wages, let me tell you, you have it Easy.

I'm sure the majority of the planet have it far worse than Canada. It's all relative. The difference is I live an hour's drive away from the US in a first world country that has no reason not to be much like the US in almost every way if properly governed. Importing things here doesn't actually cost squat or require much of anything to accomplish, it's just all fees the government charges to prevent said importing otherwise no one would buy anything here. And with our wages? The wages just went up this month, and I only know of it for Ontario. Some places had (have?) an $8 minimum wage in areas which that can't even buy a sandwich. It doesn't matter how big the wages sound like to other countries when it's not enough for their specific areas to have a roof, heating, and food beyond cup noodles and dirty tap water. I know everyone thinks Canada is all roses and rainbows, but it's not as great as the government likes the world to think. Like the myth that we have some super health insurance. Not even getting an eye exam is free unless you're too young to get one, or if you're already dead. Anyone who actually needs it has to pay. I have private health insurance on top of the "free" insurance and I still don't have shit covered. Let me put it this way, it's often much cheaper to take a drive to the US, buy the stuff there, drive back, and pay the border fees. That includes time spent, having to eat out which is half the price or less than it is here, spending money on gas which ends up not being much because you can fill up on the US side which is practically free. And when I mention these things, I mean for the identical stuff, same items purchased as the point of the trip, same tier gas, exact same restaurant food except the portions there are often much bigger. And I'll complain about weather while I'm at it, it's been averaging worse than -20C all week (-23C right now). I'm sure you're cold too, but that doesn't make me any less cold. Sad, bigly. Someone send me something warm, a building sized stack of $100 US bills will do.

Graphics Cards are already 100 dollars more expensive.

Neo Cyrus:

And I'll complain about weather while I'm at it, it's been averaging worse than -20C all week (-23C right now). I'm sure you're cold too, but that doesn't make me any less cold. Sad, bigly. Someone send me something warm, a building sized stack of $100 US bills will do.

Look on the bright side though, good time to squeeze that OC some more. 😀

D3M1G0D:

I'll believe it when I see it - if I recall, it was supposed to switch to PoS last year but it never happened. Also, when ETH mining comes to an end the miners will move on to other minable coins, so GPU shortages may still be a thing.

It's not far off, they are testing it now behind the scenes. https://www.coindesk.com/ethereum-soon-launch-first-casper-testnet/

D3M1G0D:

Once PoS is implemented, it will no longer be possible to mine Ethereum using GPUs (mining will be replaced by "staking", which is based on how much Ethereum you hold, not how much work you do). It will essentially make all GPUs useless for Ethereum mining.

That... sounds really weird. I'll look further into it. Thanks.

D3M1G0D:

I regularly order things from Newegg.ca for a fair price. Frankly, when I hear about some of the prices in Europe, I feel somewhat thankful.

Their prices include taxes, we pay another 13% including on top of the shipping cost which is taxed as well, and again, it's all relative. If you think their prices are fair check out their US prices for the same items. Half the time they're nowhere near the same.

https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B01LWQGIUR/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o01_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1 ordered this in December @£585.00..today it is £625.31....???

Neo Cyrus:

I don't know squat about that, please explain how that will stop people from using standard GPUs to mine? I'm sure the majority of the planet have it far worse than Canada. It's all relative. The difference is I live an hour's drive away from the US in a first world country that has no reason not to be much like the US in almost every way if properly governed. Importing things here doesn't actually cost squat or require much of anything to accomplish, it's just all fees the government charges to prevent said importing otherwise no one would buy anything here. And with our wages? The wages just went up this month, and I only know of it for Ontario. Some places had (have?) an $8 minimum wage in areas which that can't even buy a sandwich. It doesn't matter how big the wages sound like to other countries when it's not enough for their specific areas to have a roof, heating, and food beyond cup noodles and dirty tap water. I know everyone thinks Canada is all roses and rainbows, but it's not as great as the government likes the world to think. Like the myth that we have some super health insurance. Not even getting an eye exam is free unless you're too young to get one, or if you're already dead. Anyone who actually needs it has to pay. I have private health insurance on top of the "free" insurance and I still don't have crap covered. Let me put it this way, it's often much cheaper to take a drive to the US, buy the stuff there, drive back, and pay the border fees. That includes time spent, having to eat out which is half the price or less than it is here, spending money on gas which ends up not being much because you can fill up on the US side which is practically free. And when I mention these things, I mean for the identical stuff, same items purchased as the point of the trip, same tier gas, exact same restaurant food except the portions there are often much bigger. And I'll complain about weather while I'm at it, it's been averaging worse than -20C all week (-23C right now). I'm sure you're cold too, but that doesn't make me any less cold. Sad, bigly. Someone send me something warm, a building sized stack of $100 US bills will do.

Thank you im glad someone understands how canada works