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Hilbert, some spelling -
The ReFS filesystem should would the OS handle large datasets better.
Should would 😉
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So are they planning release special version with more bloatware and you will need 4 processors to run os itself?
No. They are planning to release a Windows 10 version that can use up to 4 CPUs and also support ReFS. Currently, Windows 10 can only use 2 CPUs, and doesn't support ReFS. For more CPUs and ReFS support, you need a Windows Server license (which is more expensive.) This is MS providing a cheaper way to use more CPUs and the new FS in a non-server OS. If you need more than 4 CPUs, you'd still need Windows Server. So in short: this is not for you and me. This is for systems that have multi-socket mainboards with 4 CPUs. For example 4 Xeon CPUs (quad Xeon mainboard) with 12 cores and 24 threads each, for a total of 48 cores and 96 threads total.
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So are they planning release special version with more bloatware and you will need 4 processors to run os itself?
No, that is specifically reserved for Win 10 x65 chronek Malware Edition. To be released this August. Jokes aside, this is purely for workstations.
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So are they planning release special version with more bloatware and you will need 4 processors to run os itself?
It's better you stick to Windows 98 SE.
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the cpu / ram limit of the windows editions is sick. I never understood if there is real software problem behind it or not. Multi cpu configuration are possible just with specific cpu that can handle to work with more cpus. 16 cores or 16 cpus should be sort of transparent for the OS. Maybe i m wrong.
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the cpu / ram limit of the windows editions is sick. I never understood if there is real software problem behind it or not. Multi cpu configuration are possible just with specific cpu that can handle to work with more cpus. 16 cores or 16 cpus should be sort of transparent for the OS. Maybe i m wrong.
This is a licensing issue, not a software issue. People who need multiple processors can afford to buy more expensive licenses. The less expensive versions of Windows have the functionality removed or locked. That's how software businesses work :-P
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So are they planning release special version with more bloatware and you will need 4 processors to run os itself?
This is only for mainstream OS 🙂 But the 4 CPU add is a great improvement, lot of workstations who use more tan 2 CPU, were obliged to use W10 server wich is lot more expensive and don't need most specific feature of this edition. Of course i am talking about those who use Windows... most other OS don't have this limit 🙂
#5440284
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The Media Creation tool is the first link they give you when you go to Windows.com. It's not exactly secret.
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Its nice that MS is doing this. I'm sure that alot of workstation users who need more than 2 Processors would have said about time they did this no need for us to spend 1000 bucks on an OS. Too bad MS wouldn't fab a gaming edition of Windows 10 that have less bloat rather than have that built-in gaming mode. I mean look at Linux there are certain Linux distros that are geared towards gaming.
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Hopefully MS will add more bloatware to Windows 10 as it clearly needs more.
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Really? Is this the first step to Windows for Workstations per core licensing model? Oh why did IBM have to fail with OS/2 and why has Linux failed to become a viable mainstream desktop alternative?
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Is this the first step to Windows for Workstations per core licensing model? Oh why did IBM have to fail with OS/2 and why has Linux failed to become a viable mainstream desktop alternative?
I think it is per socket, not core. Best aspect about this ReFS according to wikipedia,
Windows Store cannot install apps on a ReFS volume.[19]
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Is this the first step to Windows for Workstations per core licensing model? Oh why did IBM have to fail with OS/2 and why has Linux failed to become a viable mainstream desktop alternative?
Because consumers are too lazy to put the effort in and want everything to be plug and forget.
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Using a computer shouldn't have to be an effort, they're here to make life easier for us, so the less you need to do to get them working the better, plus 90% of computer owners haven't got a clue That said, dumbing them down to the point MS are trying is going a bit far
MS don't have a choice because of how poplar smartphones are now compared to 10 years ago. In order to attract customers to the Windows 'brand', they need to develop software that looks and feels like a mobile device. Still doesn't mean I like what they are doing but I can at least understand it from a business aspect.
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Windows Phone was dead before it was released, they're basing their PC OS on a dead/dying platform, dumb
Well they have Xbox Live too. Both can be intergrated to offer better customisation. While at the same time making cross pc game development easier.
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I still think they should have kept PC with a PC OS, none of this mobile / touch UI / app rubbish, keep that for touch devices / consoles where big and colourful works And tbh, tablet mode is a joke, why have a tablet mode when you are designing the whole OS for touch anyway? What's the point in a big stupid start menu with huge tiles if you also have a tablet mode? Same with the settings panel, leave normal mode (PC mode) with classic normal UI, and change everything to the new touch UI for tablet mode
We many not like the design choices. I'm sure many will though. Basically a casual approach to a desktop.
#5440362
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Lazy design team who don't want separate OSs to work on IMO PC is not a console, PC is not a phone If you resize the settings panel horizontally, it becomes a clone of Windows Phone settings screen The start menu is basically Windows Phone homescreen / apps draw And the way MS are going, it's only going to get worse, as more and more of what Windows really is, is dropped and more and more of this retarded phone UI is added, in a few years we'll not have any classic UI left, it'll all be weak and useless XAML app crap There's already an explorer 'app' kicking about in the preview builds, so we can almost guarantee classic explorer is going bye bye in the future, once that is gone... where is windows?
I can't really answer that one. Windows 10 is still good for what it is providing you are prepered to tweak and uninstall all the pointless apps.
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No. They are planning to release a Windows 10 version that can use up to 4 CPUs and also support ReFS. Currently, Windows 10 can only use 2 CPUs, and doesn't support ReFS. For more CPUs and ReFS support, you need a Windows Server license (which is more expensive.) This is MS providing a cheaper way to use more CPUs and the new FS in a non-server OS.
Actually Windows 10 has supported ReFS for quite a while now you just can't boot from it.
from what i know ReFS already supported since windows8 in system32 and SysWOW64, u should have "uReFS.dll" not sure for win10home (maybe ms not include it?)... but win10pro/ent have it indeed it need registry "hack" but doesnt mean the OS dont support for it so as it already supported i think that win10-WS version will use ReFS by default instead NTFS
No hack needed in Win 10 Pro but you just can't boot from a ReFS partition. You can create it with just the simple windows format tool.
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I still think they should have kept PC with a PC OS, none of this mobile / touch UI / app rubbish, keep that for touch devices / consoles where big and colourful works And tbh, tablet mode is a joke, why have a tablet mode when you are designing the whole OS for touch anyway? What's the point in a big stupid start menu with huge tiles if you also have a tablet mode? Same with the settings panel, leave normal mode (PC mode) with classic normal UI, and change everything to the new touch UI for tablet mode
With Windows 10 I'm seeing useful features this year which have been migrated from different platforms. We've already seen gaming mode make it's way from Xbox to Windows 10 which I enjoy as my gameplay in some specific games is now more smoother. We've seen the leak of CShell which will bring similarities to all forms of Windows. I'm looking forward to mobile features working their way in to PC's such as the mobile keyboard and swipe late this year. This will be very useful for my Surface. I for one like apps on desktop, I never saw it coming but I now use tons of apps of my PC/Surface.

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