Hmmm Nvidia screwing over M$. I didn't see that coming. 🙂

To those who don't know this is related to MS and ActiBlizz merger. MS is doing these 10 year deals with Nvidia, Nintendo etc. to appease to regulators and get this merger done.

Combining the incredibly rich catalog of Xbox first party games with GeForce NOW's high-performance streaming capabilities will propel cloud gaming into a mainstream offering that appeals to gamers at all levels of interest and experience

No, I don't think it will any time soon. But maybe it will in the future when Nvidia is finished with its plan of having entry level gaming cards start at 1000 dollars, with the flagship setting you back 5000 dollars. Just like video streaming services could make people get used to reduced image quality and pitiful audio quality compared to blu-rays (traditional and 4k), the cloud gaming services are trying to make people accustomed to compromised gameplay. If it really became mainstream, network traffic would experience another wave of bloating. ISPs would need to deal with it somehow, which eventually would raise prices for everyone, even for those who don't want to stream games.

Geforce now is the future - it's a so much more efficient use of resources - 1 gaming pc's worth of kit in some server farm probably services 10 people which means 10 times less gpu's required, 10 times less going to landfill afterwards, and so on. Because it's on some server farm it is much easier to maintain and service. This fulfills the need to be more efficient for the environment, it should be significantly cheaper, and the end user should get a more reliable hassle free gaming experience. We've already done it for video and audio - no one buys video's or music we just stream everything and for that we get a much larger choice of both for a lot less money then it would cost to buy everything we listen too and watch. Gaming is the obvious next step. Sure quality is an issue, but it was the same for music and movies, and streaming conquered there. Same will be true for lots of other things - e.g. you won't own a car, you will just subscribe to some driverless uber service. Same advantages 1 car can service a lot of people, it's better maintained, no cars need to sit at the curbside clogging up roads. You'll get a car suitable for your needs each time - so if there is one of you the service will send you something small, if you are taking the family on holiday you get something large. The end user doesn't have to worry about owning and maintaining a car with all the costs that involves, they get something that takes them efficiently and reliably from A to B for a fraction of the cost of full ownership. People like us demanding to own stuff will be the dinosaurs in a few years.

Dribble:

Geforce now is the future - it's a so much more efficient use of resources - 1 gaming pc's worth of kit in some server farm probably services 10 people which means 10 times less gpu's required, 10 times less going to landfill afterwards, and so on. Because it's on some server farm it is much easier to maintain and service. This fulfills the need to be more efficient for the environment, it should be significantly cheaper, and the end user should get a more reliable hassle free gaming experience. We've already done it for video and audio - no one buys video's or music we just stream everything and for that we get a much larger choice of both for a lot less money then it would cost to buy everything we listen too and watch. Gaming is the obvious next step. Sure quality is an issue, but it was the same for music and movies, and streaming conquered there. Same will be true for lots of other things - e.g. you won't own a car, you will just subscribe to some driverless uber service. Same advantages 1 car can service a lot of people, it's better maintained, no cars need to sit at the curbside clogging up roads. You'll get a car suitable for your needs each time - so if there is one of you the service will send you something small, if you are taking the family on holiday you get something large. The end user doesn't have to worry about owning and maintaining a car with all the costs that involves, they get something that takes them efficiently and reliably from A to B for a fraction of the cost of full ownership. People like us demanding to own stuff will be the dinosaurs in a few years.

Sounds like communism, just in place of the Party you will have just as faceless Corporation Overlord. Thanks, but no thanks.

Dribble:

Geforce now is the future - it's a so much more efficient use of resources - 1 gaming pc's worth of kit in some server farm probably services 10 people which means 10 times less gpu's required, 10 times less going to landfill afterwards, and so on. Because it's on some server farm it is much easier to maintain and service. This fulfills the need to be more efficient for the environment, it should be significantly cheaper, and the end user should get a more reliable hassle free gaming experience. We've already done it for video and audio - no one buys video's or music we just stream everything and for that we get a much larger choice of both for a lot less money then it would cost to buy everything we listen too and watch. Gaming is the obvious next step. Sure quality is an issue, but it was the same for music and movies, and streaming conquered there. Same will be true for lots of other things - e.g. you won't own a car, you will just subscribe to some driverless uber service. Same advantages 1 car can service a lot of people, it's better maintained, no cars need to sit at the curbside clogging up roads. You'll get a car suitable for your needs each time - so if there is one of you the service will send you something small, if you are taking the family on holiday you get something large. The end user doesn't have to worry about owning and maintaining a car with all the costs that involves, they get something that takes them efficiently and reliably from A to B for a fraction of the cost of full ownership. People like us demanding to own stuff will be the dinosaurs in a few years.

No problem, i love dinosaurs!

Dribble:

Geforce now is the future - it's a so much more efficient use of resources - 1 gaming pc's worth of kit in some server farm probably services 10 people which means 10 times less gpu's required, 10 times less going to landfill afterwards, and so on. Because it's on some server farm it is much easier to maintain and service. This fulfills the need to be more efficient for the environment, it should be significantly cheaper, and the end user should get a more reliable hassle free gaming experience. We've already done it for video and audio - no one buys video's or music we just stream everything and for that we get a much larger choice of both for a lot less money then it would cost to buy everything we listen too and watch. Gaming is the obvious next step. Sure quality is an issue, but it was the same for music and movies, and streaming conquered there. Same will be true for lots of other things - e.g. you won't own a car, you will just subscribe to some driverless uber service. Same advantages 1 car can service a lot of people, it's better maintained, no cars need to sit at the curbside clogging up roads. You'll get a car suitable for your needs each time - so if there is one of you the service will send you something small, if you are taking the family on holiday you get something large. The end user doesn't have to worry about owning and maintaining a car with all the costs that involves, they get something that takes them efficiently and reliably from A to B for a fraction of the cost of full ownership. People like us demanding to own stuff will be the dinosaurs in a few years.

je suis dinosaur! unfortunately, you are right. this is where everything is leading to - and i hate it. the problem with cloud based infrastructure is the cloud itself, which is why i run a NAS. i also have solar power for very similar reasons... power outage? not for me...endless buffering...nope but i think the Xbox gamepass is the best of both worlds, where i can d/l new games to try them on for size, then keep them on my game drive for fast loading. i was a beta member for GeForce now and Stadia. the other big problem w/ geForceNow was the very limited game selection - this deal should clean that up, but not a huge fan of game streaming from experience. for those w/ great ISP's - fantastic. but unfortunately for some parts of the US (and no doubt Europe) 1Mb d/l is called broadband.

Dribble:

...People like us demanding to own stuff will be the dinosaurs in a few years.

I sincerely hope not. I like owning stuff!

Kaarme:

Sounds like communism, just in place of the Party you will have just as faceless Corporation Overlord. Thanks, but no thanks.

I don't really equate it to communism, though I do see where you're coming from, in the sense that you don't own anything. At first I was pretty against the notion @Dribble was speaking about but the more I've thought about it, the more I realize how little I actually care about whether I actually own the media I consume. I don't tend to have time to re-play games or re-watch TV series, and if I do, they're probably good enough that it wouldn't be hard for me to re-access them in the future. Most movies I have no interest in watching more than once. My music collection is relatively small (only a few GB) because it's comprised of songs that I either like to go out of my way to listen to, or they're not mainstream so I'll never encounter them "in the wild"; I otherwise prefer to listen to music through something like Pandora or FM radio since I generally don't really care what's playing. The thing is, I don't really consume enough media to justify the price of subscription services, so I'm finding myself very out-of-the-loop with a lot of modern media. Good thing I don't really care. I could see how for most people (who live within cities), owning your property or vehicle isn't really necessary or perhaps not even desirable. I personally live in a semi-rural area and am a bit too "creative" when it comes to modifying my property and car, so I'm better off owning both. So long as the price of unlimited access to a large high-fidelity library (even if impermanent) is lower than the cost of ownership, I could see how most people just wouldn't care about actually owning it.

Dribble:

Geforce now is the future - it's a so much more efficient use of resources - 1 gaming pc's worth of kit in some server farm probably services 10 people which means 10 times less gpu's required, 10 times less going to landfill afterwards, and so on. Because it's on some server farm it is much easier to maintain and service. This fulfills the need to be more efficient for the environment, it should be significantly cheaper, and the end user should get a more reliable hassle free gaming experience. We've already done it for video and audio - no one buys video's or music we just stream everything and for that we get a much larger choice of both for a lot less money then it would cost to buy everything we listen too and watch. Gaming is the obvious next step. Sure quality is an issue, but it was the same for music and movies, and streaming conquered there. Same will be true for lots of other things - e.g. you won't own a car, you will just subscribe to some driverless uber service. Same advantages 1 car can service a lot of people, it's better maintained, no cars need to sit at the curbside clogging up roads. You'll get a car suitable for your needs each time - so if there is one of you the service will send you something small, if you are taking the family on holiday you get something large. The end user doesn't have to worry about owning and maintaining a car with all the costs that involves, they get something that takes them efficiently and reliably from A to B for a fraction of the cost of full ownership. People like us demanding to own stuff will be the dinosaurs in a few years.

There's a difference between streaming a movie and a game. Latency doesn't affect video like it does affect a game. Also most people i know stream things they don't care too much about or things they have no choice. They go to the theater for things they care about and still buy the blu-ray and rip it to their computer or NAS. The video quality of streaming is still lackluster. Lot of people are unsubbing from Netflix and i know many people who started pirating again. Quality of a ripped blu-ray is better than streaming.

schmidtbag:

So long as the price of unlimited access to a large high-fidelity library (even if impermanent) is lower than the cost of ownership, I could see how most people just wouldn't care about actually owning it.

For that you would need to have all games and with a small latency, high up time and good image quality as good as a console. Not sure i see this happening. Pigs gonna be pigs. I like streaming. Was a great idea. But it's falling apart imo. You need to sub to like 6-7 services. TV and mobile apps are bad. Quality is questionable most of the time. It's convenient but i know many people who are moving away from it and dusted off their pirate hat. Personally i find myself often using another way to watch stuffs even when i paid to stream it legally because of the bad quality of the stream. And while most people don't care much there's still lot of people who do. There's absolutely no way i'm gonna watch Dune part 2 on stream.

MonstroMart:

For that you would need to have all games and with a small latency, high up time and good image quality as good as a console. Not sure i see this happening. Pigs gonna be pigs. I like streaming. Was a great idea. But it's falling apart imo. You need to sub to like 6-7 services. TV and mobile apps are bad. Quality is questionable most of the time. It's convenient but i know many people who are moving away from it and dusted off their pirate hat. Personally i find myself often using another way to watch stuffs even when i paid to stream it legally because of the bad quality of the stream. And while most people don't care much there's still lot of people who do. There's absolutely no way i'm gonna watch Dune part 2 on stream.

I agree - I haven't even attempted to stream games because I don't see it worth the money at all. I buy maybe 2 games per year on average and they're usually several years old, at which point the price is lower than a streaming service. Even if I gamed more often, I still wouldn't do a streaming service, for the reasons you mentioned. I was thinking more along the lines of what Xbox Game Pass, where your system is still running the game but you only keep it temporarily.

MonstroMart:

There's a difference between streaming a movie and a game. Latency doesn't affect video like it does affect a game. Also most people i know stream things they don't care too much about or things they have no choice. They go to the theater for things they care about and still buy the blu-ray and rip it to their computer or NAS. The video quality of streaming is still lackluster. Lot of people are unsubbing from Netflix and i know many people who started pirating again. Quality of a ripped blu-ray is better than streaming.

I don't know where you're located but in NJ (US), Geforce Now is basically seamless in terms of latency. Playing around with it, most people's TV/Monitor adds more latency than Now does.. even for me where I play twitch shooters it's near flawless.. it's kind of mind boggling how good it's gotten (I remember testing it early on with the Shield Tablet in like 2015?) I think like you said, for 95-98% of people it's adequate like netflix is to normies.. and with the prices of GPUs, it's arguably a cheaper option than buying a PC. You just have to be in a populated area really - but I think in time, over years, the quality/latency will be a non-issue throughout the country & in multiple other countries and it will just become the norm for entry/mid level gamers I'd imagine. As @Dribble said its just a far more efficient way to do games, it creates a sub model which companies love and it allows greater control for all the companies involved (for worse but thats never stopped anyone lol). It's almost certainly the future whether we like it or not.

schmidtbag:

I don't really equate it to communism, though I do see where you're coming from, in the sense that you don't own anything. At first I was pretty against the notion @Dribble was speaking about but the more I've thought about it, the more I realize how little I actually care about whether I actually own the media I consume. I don't tend to have time to re-play games or re-watch TV series, and if I do, they're probably good enough that it wouldn't be hard for me to re-access them in the future. Most movies I have no interest in watching more than once. My music collection is relatively small (only a few GB) because it's comprised of songs that I either like to go out of my way to listen to, or they're not mainstream so I'll never encounter them "in the wild"; I otherwise prefer to listen to music through something like Pandora or FM radio since I generally don't really care what's playing. The thing is, I don't really consume enough media to justify the price of subscription services, so I'm finding myself very out-of-the-loop with a lot of modern media. Good thing I don't really care. I could see how for most people (who live within cities), owning your property or vehicle isn't really necessary or perhaps not even desirable. I personally live in a semi-rural area and am a bit too "creative" when it comes to modifying my property and car, so I'm better off owning both. So long as the price of unlimited access to a large high-fidelity library (even if impermanent) is lower than the cost of ownership, I could see how most people just wouldn't care about actually owning it.

I have no problem admiting that streaming has some benefits but the problem is that in the long term it becomes a worse choice is almost every way. For example, i have my custom playlists, some containing musics that i already own for more than 20 years, and i`ve listened them so many times that they have paid themselves just after an year. If i had to stream the same musics, i would have to pay every year to ear the same songs! The same with some games that i play lots of times. Regarding games, at first it`s cheaper to stream games than to buy them but in the long term the tables turn and it becomes more expensive because we could have bought the games cheaper and play them all we want. Even worse, there`s always the chance that the streaming company just turns off the server of some games that are no longer profitable for them and if we happen to like those games, though luck... But the worst part is that we don`t won anything of what we have been paying before, so if we have to cancel a streaming service because it has become too expensive or because we are in a bad spot financially, in the end we are left with nothing to show. But if we have bought the products we can continue to enjoy them as long as we want and we can even sell them if we really need!!! All this to say that streaming services seem very cheap in the beginning but in the end become very expensive.

Dribble:

and the end user should get a more reliable hassle free gaming experience.

Hmmm ... ISPs are the most loved companies providing just that , and they are not trying to double dip with bandwidth caps at all!

H83:

I have no problem admiting that streaming has some benefits but the problem is that in the long term it becomes a worse choice is almost every way. For example, i have my custom playlists, some containing musics that i already own for more than 20 years, and i`ve listened them so many times that they have paid themselves just after an year. If i had to stream the same musics, i would have to pay every year to ear the same songs! The same with some games that i play lots of times. Regarding games, at first it`s cheaper to stream games than to buy them but in the long term the tables turn and it becomes more expensive because we could have bought the games cheaper and play them all we want. Even worse, there`s always the chance that the streaming company just turns off the server of some games that are no longer profitable for them and if we happen to like those games, though luck... But the worst part is that we don`t won anything of what we have been paying before, so if we have to cancel a streaming service because it has become too expensive or because we are in a bad spot financially, in the end we are left with nothing to show. But if we have bought the products we can continue to enjoy them as long as we want and we can even sell them if we really need!!! All this to say that streaming services seem very cheap in the beginning but in the end become very expensive.

It depends on your usage. If you're listening to the same songs for 20 years and you very rarely listen to anything else, then yeah, a streaming service is outright stupid. For games that are primarily focused on multiplayer, it doesn't really matter whether you still own them, because either the crowds will have dissipated or the servers to join will have been dropped. If you're like me and you rarely get any new games or watch new movies, then subscription services are a terrible value. Where subscription services make sense is for people who mostly want new content and a lot of it. It doesn't necessarily have to actually be new, just new to them (that's why some services cycle out their repository, so there's something "new" to watch even if all the content is actually old). That's why TV streaming has become so competitive - people like binge watching new shows, and it's a great value for them because they're spending most of their free time using these services, often for around just $0.25 a day. Cable subscriptions, movie rentals, and buying shows on TV cost a lot more than that, and unless you like to re-watch the same thing over and over, it'll likely never be a better deal. Games without good replay value are the same way. Some games are a lot of fun and interesting to play, but maybe only once. Some games are a little too short, where spending full price for them (even if that's only $15) might make people a little bitter. But when you've got a subscription service, you don't care as much because you weren't going to keep it anyway.

So nGreedia and Nintardo are making a deal with M$ that Soyny refused in order to power through with their lawsuit. Get shrekt Soyny, you evil assclowns.