Wouldn't it just create flicker, something which they are typically trying to get away from? It's flicker that's not really visible, but still causes eye strain over long viewing periods. The difference with this type of flicker and the PWM flicker (for backlight brightness) is that this is synced to the refresh rate of the monitor. At least, that's how it appears.

Yes, it's a 120Hz flicker, but it's not that bad. CRTs were fine with 100Hz flicker. Also, 1ms response is total bs, as so-called 240Hz mode basically means that the around 1st half of each 120Hz cycle is blank, effectively adding minimal lag. You will hardly notice it, but it just proves the point.

I stopped reading when I saw it was just another TN panel monitor. 🙂

Can we stop with these comments? There is only one high refreshrate VA monitor and no official high refresh rates ips monitors..

Can we stop with these comments? There is only one high refreshrate VA monitor and no official high refresh rates ips monitors..

Why? Who need another 144Hz TN screen? The point is that many don't want this **** but fast VA or IPS screens instead.

Why? Who need another 144Hz TN screen? The point is that many don't want this **** but fast VA or IPS screens instead.

How about you get off your keyboard and invent one then? I would love a 9Ghz 8 core. Guess what? They don't exist! Deal with it.

Most people are just cry babies when it comes to tn and ips i own a 27" samsung tn with 1ms and wouldnt trade it for anything other then a 4k equivalent

I'm just very picky about colour, image quality and viewing angles...

Same here, it's why i went with the EIZO CX240. Hefty price for a Non-Gaming Monitor, but it surely delivers what i want. - No IPS Glow - 100% Uniform Image - No Edge Bleeding - Colors (10-bit) - Viewing Angels - 16:10 And ofcourse - The Warranty (Pixel Class 1)

But you don't give a sh*t about high inputlag/g2g, low hz and, 9 out of 10 times, grainy coating? These monitors are for gamers. IPS isnt suited for fast paced gaming, but some people can live with it, like some people think 30-45 fps is fine. Once you've seen games run at ~150 fps on a 144 Hz screen it's hard going back to 60 hz regardless of colors being "better" - Colors arent actually "better" on IPS they are just more correct. TN can show very vibrant colors, especially the 8-bit TN panel on the Asus ROG Swift. It's comparable to eIPS in terms of color reproduction.

My CX240 has no Crystalized/Grainy AG Coating. It's not Glossy, but not extremely mate either. Apart from that it has Zero IPS Glow due to some unknown coating EIZO uses. Vibrant Colors mean they get Neon like, you don't have that with a Color Correct screen and it's a lot easier on the eyes. And this input lag is a load of manure, unless you Game for a living and have to make money with it. Otherwise for 99% of the world it has zero negative effects.

It's almost as if people have different tastes in things and not everything is objectively better. Who would have thought.

Playing on a 60 Hz monitor makes me motion sick. If I really needed a monitor with better color representation I would just get a 2nd one and do other stuff on that one.

How about you get off your keyboard and invent one then? I would love a 9Ghz 8 core. Guess what? They don't exist! Deal with it.

what a fail argument. OT I would be more then happy with TN if it had at least 175° angle, 160° vertical is just too low.

Your input lag and g2g levels are way higher than on a TN monitor and 60 Hz is pretty crappy to begin with. You think you don't have a problem. Till you see how games run on a 144 Hz TN panel with matching fps. Day and night difference. But it sounds like you never seen one. Even a cheap 60 Hz TN panel would be superior to IPS in terms of inputlag, g2g levels and blur in general. This is why no serious FPS gamers use IPS. IPS can do for MMOs or other slow paced games. This is why i got a Dell U2711 for work and a Asus ROG Swift for gaming.

Still a TN Panel doesn't have the Colors and Uniformity of a IPS Panel, and never ever will have. And since that's what he (me aswell) cares about, there is no going TN. End of story.

I would be more then happy with TN if it had at least 175° angle, 160° vertical is just too low.

I find that if you sit in front of the monitor, it works best. I can then enjoy 144fps gaming in all it's glory.

Still a TN Panel doesn't have the Colors and Uniformity of a IPS Panel, and never ever will have. And since that's what he (me aswell) cares about, there is no going TN. End of story.

Fine, you like colours, we like speed. Each to their own.

I would be more then happy with TN if it had at least 175° angle, 160° vertical is just too low.

Have I missed something here? Do people move their chairs a lot while playing games? I upgraded from U2412M to PG278Q and don't have any issues with viewing angles and can still move up and down a bit in my chair.

Thats fine, like i said, IPS has it's place. It's just not good for gaming. Which is why I got two monitors. An IPS and a TN. Sadly you can't get one monitor for everything today, unless you are willing to make compromises and I'm not. I just fint it strange that some people with IPS monitors, feel the need to open news about TN gaming monitors and write crap every single time.

It's hard to go TN when you only had S-PVA in the past. Once you're used to such quality there is no going back. Only IPS, which is a slight downgrade over S-PVA when it comes to Black Levels. Tho my CX240 has proper Blacks. I only ever had EIZO myself, and i wont be leaving them any time soon. (my previous screen was a EIZO S2231W, S-PVA)

I have used a ips monitor but it was a korean one and the colors wasn't the real reason why i had it, but the screen size and the resolution. I had notice blurring here and there at first it didn't bother me, but after a while it got annoying, then after my monitor died, I decided the res and the bluring wasnt worth it to get a second 2560x1440 monitor not even for the 27inch size. I have owned dozen of TN panel's as well MVA panels, and none of those types was the reason why I grab a monitor, but the features it had and the cost was the main reasons. I bought this Asus 248QE monitor which i tweaked to get the colors just right as out of the box the colors was funky, and honestly I don't miss the IPS panel one bit, not even the size is missed. 3D vision 2 was the primary reason and I also wanted to see what the hype was about with 120/144hz and I no longer see it as hype, not after what i experienced while using the monitor. I actually more happy with this monitor then i ever was with my old monitor,even if its a TN panel that alot of your guys dislike. The smooth and fluidly of games on this monitor as it was the first thing that I notice. Made gaming much better, I tried to go back to 60hz to see if it was just placebo, but nope after using it 144hz for a while, I cant stand 60hz at all, not even on the desktop mouse all jumpy, Really felt off in a game too. If My korean monitor haven't died then I doubt i would had gotten it, Even with my monitor not overclocking. At the end of the day, people should just use what make them happy and not worry about what another person is using, even if you think they should be using something else instead. People will have different wants and needs which will be totally different from another.

I find that if you sit in front of the monitor, it works best. I can then enjoy 144fps gaming in all it's glory.

Have I missed something here? Do people move their chairs a lot while playing games? I upgraded from U2412M to PG278Q and don't have any issues with viewing angles and can still move up and down a bit in my chair.

Nope, but sometimes I have my feet on the table in a more laied-back position looking slightly from side and bellow. And in such scenarios TN with 160/170° fails - contrast shifting. Btw some IPS aren't that slow, it all depends on panel quality, cheaper models will obviously be slower. And I agree with Svarog, I also only had s-pva monitor before and going to IPS felt a bit so so, pva had better dark levels and contrast, but to go to TN now nah, pass ;p 🙂

Problem with backlight ? .. this is not due to the technology, but by the monitor manufacturer who have been cheap in the monitor fabrication...

which part in my post do you mean? That PVA to IPS transition? If yes, this IPS has native 1000:1, old pva had native 1600:1, I saw this contrast difference right away in Doom3, but I can fix it alittle with faked 5000:1 contrast enhancer and a little darker gamma 2.2 to 2.4. Well to be honest I kinda doubt EIZO cheap'd on backlight., from what I saw its just IPS thing - dark contrast is not its best strength, compared to VA where it owns, but suffers from colour shifting if you look at it straight 0° by darker shades.. Edit: I see you edited your post a bit, yeah kinda sucks we can't get the best from both worlds, hopefully soon when they introduce another panel 😀

sometimes I have my feet on the table in a more laied-back position looking slightly from side and bellow.

Right, so we have established that if you try to play games lying down with your feet on the desk, a TN panel isn't suitable. :stewpid:

what a fail argument. OT I would be more then happy with TN if it had at least 175° angle, 160° vertical is just too low.

Its not a fail argument at all.. He just pushed it out to the absurd to make his point with processors. When a tn gaming monitor comes out/review there are a few people who always post w/o seeing it themselves(look at the thread on the swift monitor its full of people who own it saying these things are not issues, but the same people who bash TN keep going on about it).. "its a TN ill pass" or something similar with posts that always say the same thing about viewing angle color.. The tech they want it ips/spva high end gaming monitors doesn't exist so who cares.

Right, so we have established that if you try to play games lying down with your feet on the desk, a TN panel isn't suitable. :stewpid:

no Im still sitting on chair. And TN is still bad for other stuff, I do more then just straight on sitting and playing games :P