Those are some pretty sweet deals. I was kinda skeptical about what improvements Zen+ would offer over Zen beyond minor tweaks. This move by AMD makes me somewhat hopeful we'll see noticeable improvements and possibly OC potential.

ubercake:

Unreasonable RAM prices are keeping me from upgrading. It's just silly. Additionally, with more functionality moving to the CPU and motherboards doing less, motherboards are unreasonably-priced these days as well. How are they doing less than ever, but costing more than ever? But WOW! They sure do have lots of pretty lights now?! Don't even get me started on the GPU prices...

I paid $400 for the Asus Striker Extreme back in 2007 - which is about $500 with inflation. My current X299 SLI board has 2 more USB ports than the striker, 4 extra DIMM slots, more/better VRMs, double the number of SATA connectors, U.2, Dual BIOS's, UEFI which is far superior to anything back then in terms of software, better looking in every way imaginable, better audio output, 2x M.2 and it has pretty lights and it cost half the striker did (Paid $220 for it,- arguably cheaper because the deal I got included a Corsair H75 but I won't subtract that out). Motherboard pricing seems fine to me. GPU Pricing also seems fine if you ignore miner inflation. RAM pricing is unreasonable - I'll agree with that one.

gave up on upgrade atm prices are to high here in Denmark best price atm Ryzen 1800X 328,91euros

Yogi:

Those are some pretty sweet deals. I was kinda skeptical about what improvements Zen+ would offer over Zen beyond minor tweaks. This move by AMD makes me somewhat hopeful we'll see noticeable improvements and possibly OC potential.

From what i've gathered it will only be minor tweeks, Higher default ram, slight bump in clocks, maybe a bit of IPC improvement though that will likely come from the higher clocks. Beyond that though, very little differences

Faster ram speeds and tighter timings is what makes Ryzen tick. That is why I have pushed the timings and speed as far as I can and keep voltages within reason. 3600 is not going to be enough unless tighter timings can be achieved as well. The reviews are going to need to take that into consideration. Overall system performance and responsiveness is completely noticeable over 3200 and I am only at 3487 (best am able to achieve). CPU speed is not as important as how the ram is set.

Denial:

GPU Pricing also seems fine if you ignore miner inflation.

How exactly do you ignore miner inflation? There's no way to ignore it when you are paying your purchases. It's no different from the RAM price inflation. Demand is higher than supply.

Kaarme:

How exactly do you ignore miner inflation? There's no way to ignore it when you are paying your purchases. It's no different from the RAM price inflation. Demand is higher than supply.

I think he said that because of the what the GPUs MSRP is supposed to be. Yes, GPUs cost more then their MSRP right now, but their MSRP is not bad. A little difference from say, ram, which i'm not even sure if they have MSRP anymore, they just go up and down, they are never "on sale" they just get cheaper then more expensive. Correct me if i'm wrong about ram not having MSRP, but i haven't seen one.

jbscotchman:

Damn I really want to upgrade but DDR4 prices are killing me.

same here, still stuck on ddr3 2133, cant justify it at those prices.

2x4gig strips of ddr4 seem quite reasonable atm compared to 2x8, recently picked up HyperX Fury DDR4 2400Mhz 8GB (2x4GB) for £80 (unused but tested) on ebay for my girlfriends Asus Z170 gaming pro rig, and got myself an i7 7700k for £210 although im not overly impressed with it having owned an i7 6700k(failed) and recently upgraded from an i5 6600k.

Aura89:

I think he said that because of the what the GPUs MSRP is supposed to be. Yes, GPUs cost more then their MSRP right now, but their MSRP is not bad. A little difference from say, ram, which i'm not even sure if they have MSRP anymore, they just go up and down, they are never "on sale" they just get cheaper then more expensive. Correct me if i'm wrong about ram not having MSRP, but i haven't seen one.

The only difference is who pockets all the money. The consumer will suffer the same in both cases. MSRP is pure hypocrisy if it's unavailable to most people. Personally I think it's a good thing miners need to pay outrageous amounts for the cards (so it's a good thing no store cares about the MSRP), but it's a pity gamers suffer on the side (so it's a bad thing no store cares about the MSRP).