Why a new chipset for an 8 core version of Coffee Lake? Is the 8 core variant seriously not supported by Z370 or something!? I literally only just bought the Z370 Apex! Be a joke if the 8 core won't work in it

Matt26LFC:

I literally only just bought the Z370 Apex! Be a joke if the 8 core won't work in it

That's Intels idea of a joke and it ain't funny. I seem to remember reading about this a couple of months back, I couldn't believe what I was reading but it appears to be true. Intel are bloody numpties 😡 Still, I'm looking forward to the Ryzen refresh and maybe swap out my 1600X if the mood takes me (and my bank allows it!). The AM4 platform makes far more sense.

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Matt26LFC:

Why a new chipset for an 8 core version of Coffee Lake? Is the 8 core variant seriously not supported by Z370 or something!? I literally only just bought the Z370 Apex! Be a joke if the 8 core won't work in it

To be honest transitional periods are not the best time to be upgrading better to wait 12 months or so.

Matt26LFC:

Why a new chipset for an 8 core version of Coffee Lake? Is the 8 core variant seriously not supported by Z370 or something!? I literally only just bought the Z370 Apex! Be a joke if the 8 core won't work in it

I would not be surprised if you need the new chipset for 8 core, the 6 core eats into the socket 2066 6 core sells as it is already, so they have to keep the price up on the 8 core Coffee lake to not eat out of the 2066 8 core sells.

Bigbeard1986:

It is no surprise intel is an Israeli company...explains all of their conniving, back stabbing, money grabbing actions.

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Holly Molly another one 😱 ! how many chipsets Intel needs on such a short amount of time ??? o_O

As many as people are willing to buy. This chipset has to be the most reduntant chipset ever made i dont even know what to think about these releases lately from intel.

It's terrible that another chipset needs to exist just so it can support an 8 core! It was bad enough that the Z370 needs to exist because of the change in pins, which could probably have been worked around. Wonder what the reason is this time! I bought the Apex for XOC so it's not much of an issue for me I can just sell it after I've done 6 core and get Z390 if need/want to. Just thinking of others that have bought Z370 with potentially no upgrade path to an 8 core chip on it! As long as Z370 supports 8 core all should be OK, if not, well that's not good really is it

Emille:

Every chipset from intel has only been good for one generation for like 15 years. The only way you could get 2 cpus out of it is if you were one of those 'a cheap man pays twice' buyers who buy an i5 and then upgrade to an i7 from the same generation. In the business we call these people idiots... Anyone who buyers an intel chipset expecting 2 generations out of it doesn't have any self respect as a consumer and has done no research. I'm glad for the constant board refreshes, it means the tech is always up to date. Coffee lake motherboards have 3x m.2 slots on almost all of them, that's what I upgrade for more than a cpu.

And i dare you to use those 3 m.2 slots and post screenshots of your glorious result of 3 m.2 SSD's choking behind 1x4 PCIE 3.0 link.:):):)

This is getting beyond ridiculous. 8-cores would be perfectly compatible with LGA1151 and even Z270, they just don't want to allow people that freedom. If it weren't for a necessitated Win7 compatibility, I'd be on Ryzen right now. And I'll be upgrading my backup rig to Raven Ridge when that comes out, anyway.

Emille:

Every chipset from intel has only been good for one generation for like 15 years. The only way you could get 2 cpus out of it is if you were one of those 'a cheap man pays twice' buyers who buy an i5 and then upgrade to an i7 from the same generation. In the business we call these people idiots....

Not quite true. Do you remember Intel X58 chipset based LGA1366 motherboards: most of us were kickin' quads Core i7-920 and smiilar Nehalem CPUs, later down the road most of these X58 boards got BIOS update for 6-core Westmere generation i7-9xx and Xeon X56xx CPUs. Still running two LGA1366 boards here, both started with "poors man" Core i7-920 C0 and for few years both mobos are running highly OC'ed 6-core Xeons, X5670 & X5675. Something similar happened with LGA1155 platform: started with Sandy Bridge CPUs, later down the road most of these mobos got update to support Ivy Bridge CPUs. I agree with Matt and others here about "new" Intel's customer milking politics, every half a year it's like: "...hello folks! We have new CPU to offer for our beloved customers and it needs new chipset.... and of course new socket, what did you expected!?..." ..and it's been that way for how long, almost 5 years?

Bigbeard1986:

It is no surprise intel is an Israeli company...explains all of their conniving, back stabbing, money grabbing actions.

Um, wtf dude? Not only did Intel begin in Mountain View, California.....USA.....and is a USA company....but that is exceptionally, unjustifiably racist. Wow.

Emille:

If you walk into a dealership and take a model they have on the floor and a new model comes out 3 months later, whose fault is it that you didn't ask?

Your analogy would make more sense if it was more like You buy a brand new car, just released, and know in the future a new high performance tire+wheel will be released. New tire+wheel gets released You go to the dealership because you want this new tire+wheel, and find out it won't work on your vehicle, because they purposefully changed the way it attaches to your vehicle, and they are instead exclusive to a higher end model of the vehicle. It's not that the tire+wheel wouldn't work on your vehicle and be a benefit to it, but simply the company going out of its way to make sure they get more money out of you if you want it that badly. AKA, the company screwing over their customers for their bottom line and saying "Welp, you we something that 100% works with your vehicle, but too bad, screw you, you can't have it unless you give us even more money then the upgraded tire+wheel itself."

Emille:

Lol how ignorant. Even my z170 board from over 2 years ago is currently running 2 m.2 drives at full 3.0 4x speed as well as my graphics card at full 3.0 x16 speed.

So you're saying you ran your graphics card at its peak, and your m.2 all at the exact same time, and they were running at beyond what the chipset is capable of? And, you're also saying that Intel is lying about their products capabilities? Because, you know, underselling your product totally creates sales right? Mmmhmm, gotta love getting what isn't physically possible! Oh yeah! I mean you do realize that the z170 uses the DMI 3.0 link, correct? Something that is capable, at fully speed, of only 4x PCI-Express speeds? AKA, using two m.2 drives to their fullest, at the same exact time, would net you a total speed of 4x PCI-Express speed (or less depending on what other parts of your computer are also transmitting over that link) shared between the two m.2 lanes? The only way this wouldn't affect your m.2 drives would be if your drives did not need more then 2 PCI-Express lanes bandwidths each. These are facts. So if you come back with "but no, you're wrong, i have the system, i know what i'm talking about, blah blah blah blah". Well, good luck showing your intelligence while trying to refute facts about a chipset and trying to tell people what isn't possible, is possible. Lets all believe in the tooth fairy while we are at it.

Emille:

As you can see below, only the physical pci x4 slot is disabled when using an m.2 drives, and the m.2 slots do not split bandwidth ( as you can see here and in the picture above ) and as you can see in this picture there is no disclaimer on the x16 slot, it does not suffer reduced lanes as a result of 2x m.2 drives and x4 speed either. 32gb is full speed pci 3.0 x4, and it has 32gb per drive.

I just skimmed all these posts but you seem to be very argumentative about your setup. I will make it clear. Your setup is limited to 16 CPU pcie lanes and 4x Gen 3 via dmi link. You are not getting full speed to all host devices at the same time. Period. This is a technical limitation of your setup. Due to the fact under no load, the GPU will only use a limited amount of lanes. That means the M.2 drives are able to use the max lanes supported. Try a game with 100% load, then run both M.2 benchmarks at the same time if you are adamant in arguing about facts. You will not get full speed on those drives. And no, i don't care about what some program polls regarding their interface link speed.

I think we know in this thread, well one doesn't, that Intel is being a colossal ass in this instance! This Z390 chipset is a farce! Don't get me wrong a chipset/feature update is good normally. I mean Z170 over Z97 was a nice strong platform update and overdue imo Even Z170 to Z270 was reasonable and allowed for backward compatibility with 6000 series CPUs! Z270 to Z370 is sketchy at best and Z370 to Z390 is a joke! Did Intel seriously not have time to implement a couple more features that Z390 will have that Z370 won't! Seems like Z390 is mean't to be what was really mean't to be released instead of Z370 but intel said hey we got nowt right now so er here have this! Like I said before I only bought the Apex for XOC so its not a massive deal to me, but I think it would be piss poor if Z370 didn't support the 8 core coming out as there is seems to be literally no reason for it not to!

Emille:

Lol how ignorant. Even my z170 board from over 2 years ago is currently running 2 m.2 drives at full 3.0 4x speed as well as my graphics card at full 3.0 x16 speed. A 950 pro 512gb and a 2tb 960 pro. All z370 boards with 3 m.2 drives run them at full speed. It's so funny to see people with stone age board features making claims about new boards features that are false. Tell me what software you want me to verify the pci speeds with and I'll post a screenshot with them all in one, just for you my stone age friend. Here is it, I couldn't have 2 instances of crystal disk info open so I have GPUz, crystal disk info and a crystal disk mark bencmark of the 960 pro all in one, thanks for playing champ. http://i68.tinypic.com/29pvhnm.jpg I'll be getting a third m.2 drive with my icelake build when the samsung 980 series comes out. it will also be running at full speed. This reminds me of AM3, when amd owners said that dd2 support lingering for years and a lack of ddr3 support was a blessing to customer, thanks to the 'longevity' of that ageing platform it had dated ram, pci, usb and everything else. Technology moves forwards, with or without you, feel free to sit it out but don't lie to yourself that cutting edge z370/390 boards run m.2 drives at x1 speed when it just false.

Lolololol Are some people delusional or what? What are you showing me? Results of a single 960 pro saturating PCIE 30 x4 link,where is 950 pro in your benchmark,you are claiming that you can run both 950 and 960 pro at the same time without choking them on meagerly 1x4 link ????? Son let me inform you each of them will report separately they run on PCIE x4 but they share that link with each other and everything else in your system.Meaning that your audio,sata ports,lan port,usb ... together with your 2 SSD's share single let me repeat SINGLE 1X4 PCIE 3.0 link.You can make chipset with 100 or heck even 1000 PCIE lanes if you want,but what maters is what is speed between that hypothetical 1000 lane chipset and CPU,because CPU needs to process that data not chipset,CPU is the one that is requesting data not chipset.

Emille:

The cpu has 16 lanes, and the chipset has 20 lanes, jesus christ, it's not that hard.

Clearly you are lacking the understanding and technical capabilities of a DMI link. 20x lanes that get 'squished' to a total of 4x Gen 3 lanes. DMI link is a connection between PCH -- CPU. I'll make a simple analogy for you. There is a 20 lane highway that condenses to 4x lanes to a city. The limit is 4 lanes. Yeah, there are 20 lanes for cars to be on, but they have to slow down to fit in the 4 lanes near the city. Jesus christ, it's not that hard to understand. 🙄

kruno:

Lolololol Are some people delusional or what? .

Classic sign of somebody that is 'always right'. Nobody will one up them.

Emille:

If you are suggesting that muliple pci devices have dynamic pci lane bandwidth limits....that's not how it works.

Lol. Yes it is how it works. I'll quote from the PCIe datasheet, you know, the people that designed PCIe spec. Because we know you'll argue against and keep digging that hole of yours.

7. Dynamic LINK Bandwidth Management Dynamic LINK Re-Configuration is an optional normative functionality that supports changing the LINK Bandwidth by changing the RATE series or High-Speed Gears identically on MODULES on both sides of the LINK, and/or changing the number of Configured LANEs per SUB-LINK. A LINK Width change is permitted to be asymmetric (i.e. a MODULE is permitted to be configured 10 with different number of TX-LANEs and RX-LANEs). Software is notified of any RATE series or LINK speed and LINK width changes through the Link Bandwidth Notification Mechanism as described in PCI Express Specification. Functions that implement Link Bandwidth Notification Capability must report all bandwidth changes as Link Autonomous Bandwidth change. The Link Bandwidth Management Status bit in 15 the Link Status register must be set when Link retraining has completed following a write of 1b to the Retrain Link bit

You should have known this as you can easily see that GPU driver requests a lower power state and it electrically sends commands to host system to use less lanes with GPU z bandwidth test.

Emille:

If you are suggesting that muliple pci devices have dynamic pci lane bandwidth limits....that's not how it works. They don't fight for bandwidth. Each device has an allocated number of lanes. They don't go from 1 to 4 depending on load. Eithet they are running a 1, 2, or 4. They don't alter bandwidth limits on the fly. Do GPUs have UP to 8/16 lanes and then drop down depending on other pco device usage.....that has literally never happened. That's not how it works. I supposed the pci devices battle each other for bandwidth right? Rather than being limited to a st number or lanes. What a stupid suggestion.

Lol to not repeat the post just look under your post at post of Agent-A01 for answer 🙂:)

you guys keep buying and intel will happily deliver a chipset for every new cpu, coming soon a ZX chipset category to have both cpu AND memory oc! also XZ+ to have compatibility with non-intel nvme as boot drives!