Intel Xe DG2 could have the performance level of an RTX 3070

#5846600

Silva

2020-10-26 12:35

They can't move past 14nm and its speculated these will be made on 6nm? Ya right...

#5846617

moo100times

2020-10-26 13:19

The DG1 barely beats an mx330 which is not a great initial show for Intel. These speculations for the DG2 seem rather pie in the sky.

#5846625

schmidtbag

2020-10-26 14:11

I'm surprised nobody has pointed out that we're speculating the performance of a GPU that hasn't been released with another GPU whose performance we have to speculate because it too hasn't been released.... Anyway, I've seen benchmarks of the mobile Xe GPU and it's actually an impressive leap forward. I don't know all the technical details to compare it with their previous generation stuff, but in some cases it delivers double the performance under the same power consumption (actual measured power consumption, as opposed to Intel's meaningless TDP). Despite this though, AMD's Vega on their mobile APUs are still better, which doesn't bode well for Xe.

yeeeeman:

You have a great imagination. 3070 like card for 200$? We're talking about intel. These cards will be expensive, probably at the same level as nvidia, if not higher.

Have you not bought any Intel product besides a CPU? Their prices are perfectly reasonable for their other products. They're practically never budget options, but the point is, Intel does make competitively-priced products. They know they're out of their realm entering the GPU market, so they will have competitive prices if they expect success.

#5846636

H83

2020-10-26 15:07

Herem:

If Intel produce a card which is optimistically as fast as a 3070 by the end of next year who will be left to buy it?

There are always customers for video cards at any time. If your card goes bust, you don´t sit down waiting for the next gen to be released, do you? Anyway releasing something as good as the 3070 would be quite the achievement for Intel, and i can´t see them pulling this one this good, but i could be wrong of course.

alanm:

Only a brave soul would be an early adopter of Intels first discrete GPU. We would have to see how good driver support is for an extended period (year at least) to get a sense of product worthiness or not.

So true. But maybe you can rise up to the challenge so you can tell all the other gurus if the path is safe or not...:D Be brave!!!

#5846654

gmavignier

2020-10-26 15:56

Wake me up if or when this comes true. I still don't see Intel on the GPU market at all. Integrated and discrete GPUs are on a whole different ball park.

#5846658

fantaskarsef

2020-10-26 16:12

Can't see Intel competing in the DGPU market until 2023 or so, what a waste of money they're pushing into it. Takes years until there's a pay off, and even then it has to be proportionally successful to earn them back the investment. Until then, watch the stock drop year over year.

#5846688

tsunami231

2020-10-26 18:01

is this what intel is say or is there some kind proof? intel has tried atlest 3x i remeber to make "gpu" cards that actual worth using for gaming and most time they really underpowered

#5846700

Maddness

2020-10-26 18:34

Undying:

From what i've seen their igpus today are very well behind nvidia and amd. Xe wont change anything even if its sees the light of day.

But, but they have Raja working for them now.

#5846701

Kaarme

2020-10-26 18:35

fantaskarsef:

Can't see Intel competing in the DGPU market until 2023 or so, what a waste of money they're pushing into it. Takes years until there's a pay off, and even then it has to be proportionally successful to earn them back the investment. Until then, watch the stock drop year over year.

I don't think they are pouring billions in it for the sake of gaming cards. They need GPUs for the server market. The same basic technology will work in the gaming market. Intel already has a huge deal with the US government for a supercomputer, which uses Intel CPUs+GPUs. I imagine the gaming side is an offshoot, in a manner of speaking. Or in other words, if Intel needs to develop GPU tech anyway, they might as well try to make profit from the private consumer and small business creator market as well, not only from the server side.

#5846712

coth

2020-10-26 18:57

NightWind:

Intel card for me? https://media1.tenor.com/images/7ee80d3b8a2a5bc3da60a6dc2a71a600/tenor.gif?itemid=14018665

I don't care whose label is glued to the board. Everything depend on price, performance and driver support, as iGPU driver support was just few years. But in this case it's not just performance, but RT performance. But they should have release it this year, before Cyberpunk 2077. Next year will probably be too late. At at least they would show something to hold on potential customers from buying Ampere and RDNA2.

#5846720

Zeka

2020-10-26 19:11

If the consoles are doing ray-tracing then that is the mainstream. And $500-$600 is not mainstream. I could probably afford to spend that much money on a gaming card, but I don't want to. These are toys, nothing more. Very few use them for anything else than PLAYING GAMES. If manufacturers continue with this pricing trend, they will kill PC gaming. Consoles are cheaper and have better graphics then mid-range PC. I would be very happy to see another player in the GPU arena, even if it's Intel. If they want to disrupt the market, they need to bring performance of RTX2070 to $200 - $250 range. I'm willing to forgive spotty drivers,.. that's something that improves over time. We all know how much time it took ATI/AMD to have decent drivers... some would say they are still not good enough.

#5846752

0blivious

2020-10-26 21:07

What's with all the bellyaching? Were people expecting a 4080Ti as a debut? I thought no one was expecting Intel to produce much of anything. 3070 is 2080Ti level. That's not terrible, even next year. I'm not saying I want one, but I find this news promising. Don't we want them to bring competition?

#5846756

tsunami231

2020-10-26 21:20

0blivious:

What's with all the bellyaching? Were people expecting a 4080Ti as a debut? I thought no one was expecting Intel to produce much of anything. 3070 is 2080Ti level. That's not terrible, even next year. I'm not saying I want one, but I find this news promising. Don't we want them to bring competition?

cause every time there "news" about intel make gpu or igpu is significantly weak then the claim it to be? would be nice if they make card that can compete Nvidia is compete with them selves AMD make card that less power full, but just power hungery if not more and charge slightly less. and well matrix and savage ore just names of past now

#5846830

sykozis

2020-10-27 01:36

Stormyandcold:

To now say it's coming out end of next year, well, it feels like Larrabee 2. Which basically never came out.

Intel never announced a launch date for DG2. The only product Intel has mentioned publicly is DG1, which was slated to launch in 2020. In regards to Larrabee, where is no "basically".... The Larrabee project was cancelled with zero products launched in any market. Larrabee actually never came out. A Larrabee "graphics card" was demoed 1 time, running Quake Wars: Ray Traced in September 2009, before being cancelled in December 2009 with the Larrabee project as a whole being shuttered in May 2010.

#5846832

EspHack

2020-10-27 01:42

we cant possibly have another turing pricing scheme with THREE competitors, thats great news to me hopefully nvidia shows up at the cpu game after microsoft makes ARM-AMD64 emulation a thing, these coming years will be hella interesting

#5846839

DannyD

2020-10-27 01:57

I wouldn't mind an intel card, i was impressed with ice lake g7 on-board graphics on my laptop.

#5846841

sykozis

2020-10-27 02:01

H83:

So true. But maybe you can rise up to the challenge so you can tell all the other gurus if the path is safe or not...:D Be brave!!!

At the right price, I'll take the leap..... If they price it like an RTX3080, however, I won't even look in it's general direction.... It needs to be priced more like a GTX1660.... Last thing I need is a $700 paper weight.... A $200-250 paper weight I can deal with though.

gmavignier:

Wake me up if or when this comes true. I still don't see Intel on the GPU market at all. Integrated and discrete GPUs are on a whole different ball park.

Intel actually dominates the GPU market..... You have to break it down into sub-categories for NVidia to have majority market share.

coth:

But they should have release it this year, before Cyberpunk 2077. Next year will probably be too late. At at least they would show something to hold on potential customers from buying Ampere and RDNA2.

DG1 was the only product slated for release in 2020. Can't exactly release the second generation before you release the first generation.....

Kaarme:

I don't think they are pouring billions in it for the sake of gaming cards. They need GPUs for the server market. The same basic technology will work in the gaming market. Intel already has a huge deal with the US government for a supercomputer, which uses Intel CPUs+GPUs. I imagine the gaming side is an offshoot, in a manner of speaking. Or in other words, if Intel needs to develop GPU tech anyway, they might as well try to make profit from the private consumer and small business creator market as well, not only from the server side.

Intel could have simply continued development of their compute cards. There's actually little reason for them to develop a dedicated graphics card.

#5846936

Kaarme

2020-10-27 09:19

sykozis:

Intel could have simply continued development of their compute cards. There's actually little reason for them to develop a dedicated graphics card.

I already said it before: Video card prices have gotten so high that Intel sees a reason. Intel loves high prices with good profits. They sold their NAND business because prices are low, with meager profits.

#5846949

AlmondMan

2020-10-27 09:56

yeeeeman:

You have a great imagination. 3070 like card for 200$? We're talking about intel. These cards will be expensive, probably at the same level as nvidia, if not higher.

I have a great imagination? Did you even read what I posted? 🙂

#5847111

H83

2020-10-27 15:33

sykozis:

At the right price, I'll take the leap..... If they price it like an RTX3080, however, I won't even look in it's general direction.... It needs to be priced more like a GTX1660.... Last thing I need is a $700 paper weight.... A $200-250 paper weight I can deal with though.

At that price you won´t get anything near the performance of the 3070... Maybe the performance of the 2060 if you´re lucky.