Intel Talks About Discrete Graphics Processor at ISSCC

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#5521170
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Fox2232:

Intel can deliver whatever dGPU they want. People are not going to buy them for gaming till their drivers improve.
On other hand low segment from AMD still use "legacy" version of the driver only, and NVidia despite using latest driver don't use latest technology from those driver (at least until recent GT 1030)... Green, Red or now Blue... it's the just a question of color, they do the same things.
#5521178
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The drivers don't matter much if the product isn't competitive.... Currently, their drivers really aren't bad for an entry-level iGPU. The lack of adequate support is a bigger issue. Intel has never had a competitive product in the dGPU market. Their last attempt to compete in the discrete graphics market was an utter failure.
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well a dgpu I don't know they can't make us a new slot every launch can they? it will go the way the last one they made did ,show us then throw it in the trash
#5521191
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"The GPU would be based on existing Intel's integrated GPU architecture but advances on that." lol.....
#5521212
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Intel clearly wants a piece of the mining market...
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cowie:

well a dgpu I don't know they can't make us a new slot every launch can they? it will go the way the last one they made did ,show us then throw it in the trash
The last dGPU they made was the Intel 740... Larrabee was never actually shown as a functional dGPU.
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sykozis:

The last dGPU they made was the Intel 740... Larrabee was never actually shown as a functional dGPU.
yeah I do remember seeing it on stage at some announcement so it was a wood screw thing, after they threw it in the garbage because they know it takes more then hardware.
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Well, no one has mentioned(I didn't read the link) is that buying a $900 GPU isn't high on peoples list of things to do. As mentioned they want to cash in on mining, n pull more buyers back to the BLUE team away from Red. I don't see it happening but.........
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I dunno, its fine for basic desktop/gfx/video acceleration, but trying to scale it up is horrible idea imo. unless they somehow managed to improve their compute performance considerably i don't see this working very well,
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cowie:

yeah I do remember seeing it on stage at some announcement so it was a wood screw thing, after they threw it in the garbage because they know it takes more then hardware.
I don't recall that. Maybe I just wasn't paying enough attention.
thatguy91:

Seems completely pointless, might as well use an integrated solution. Years ago they used to have discrete cards like the i740, but despite their branding was never really successful. I guess Apple ripped that small i off Intel.
The i740 performed poorly compared to nearly every competing product. Sometimes, not even brand recognition can save a piss poor product. Now, they'll be fighting against poor market reputation.....if they actually manage to release a product this time. I'm sure the Larrabee fiasco hasn't been forgotten.
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Might have been interested in this two months or so ago. Now I won't touch that thing with a pole...
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Aura89:

"The GPU would be based on existing Intel's integrated GPU architecture but advances on that." lol.....
Their top end Iris Pro isn't horrible for an integrated GPU. If they could multiply that power by even a few times for a discrete card, then they'd have a market to sell to.
#5521433
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It will still take time for prices to come back down. Intel has to first develop a viable discrete card and stable drivers. Then Intel has to convince people to actually buy them. If the performance is lacking, they'll have almost no impact on prices. The cards have to have similar performance to their AMD and NVidia counterparts to impact prices.
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It's weird - as of writing, I probably dislike Intel more than everyone else in this thread, and yet I feel like I'm the only one who doesn't think this is going to be a failure. I know that most of you only care about gaming, but I'm pretty sure Intel isn't planning on marketing this as a gaming chip. I see this being a competitor to the Quadro and FirePro series. Despite what most of you think, Intel's IGPs aren't that bad, when you consider their energy efficiency and non-3D capabilities. It's been I think 3 years since the Iris Pro graphics have been released, and it still holds up very well. Up until Raven Ridge was released, pretty much the most compact, cheap, and energy-efficient way to build your own system capable of 4K video decode was with Intel's IGPs. To my recollection, their OpenCL performance is also relatively good. With proper dedicated memory, I think these GPUs will actually be worth getting, depending on your workload; bad choice for gamers though. As for the drivers, here's what I find a bit funny: In Windows, they are very neglectful of 3D and compute, but video decode is great. In Linux, they are very attentive of 3D and compute, but video decode is very limited.
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Fox2232:

I did build intel drivers on linux multiple times. Number of additional components needed is almost unbelievable. So it seems to be wise to make scripts for each part and chain them. But next build and other set of dependencies. Again and again. Worst thing is that they do not list those dependencies on full, so you are going to find out one missing dependency at a time as you compile. (Existence of intel's tool which can deliver it automatically is not much helping since it is just for some distros.)
That's pretty typical of a lot of things you build yourself. I personally don't bother building anything that complex unless I'm given complete and coherent instructions. As an Arch Linux user, the AUR makes building from the latest source a lot less of an arduous process.
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schmidtbag:

It's weird - as of writing, I probably dislike Intel more than everyone else in this thread, and yet I feel like I'm the only one who doesn't think this is going to be a failure. I know that most of you only care about gaming, but I'm pretty sure Intel isn't planning on marketing this as a gaming chip. I see this being a competitor to the Quadro and FirePro series. Despite what most of you think, Intel's IGPs aren't that bad, when you consider their energy efficiency and non-3D capabilities. It's been I think 3 years since the Iris Pro graphics have been released, and it still holds up very well. Up until Raven Ridge was released, pretty much the most compact, cheap, and energy-efficient way to build your own system capable of 4K video decode was with Intel's IGPs. To my recollection, their OpenCL performance is also relatively good. With proper dedicated memory, I think these GPUs will actually be worth getting, depending on your workload; bad choice for gamers though. As for the drivers, here's what I find a bit funny: In Windows, they are very neglectful of 3D and compute, but video decode is great. In Linux, they are very attentive of 3D and compute, but video decode is very limited.
Look at the R5 2400G review and see where the i7 5775C sits in the iGPU charts. Iris Pro was pretty damn competitive with AMD's past iGPUa. It's OpenCL performance was actually amazing for an iGPU.
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Can it run crysis ?
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eddieobscurant:

Can it run crysis ?
Yes, at 320x240 with 256 colors at 2fps ;-)
sykozis:

[...] Iris Pro was pretty damn competitive with AMD's past iGPUa. It's OpenCL performance was actually amazing for an iGPU.
I bought a laptop some years ago with Intel Iris (Pro?) 5200 (on i7-4770HQ), they gave me a STEAM code for GRID2 with it. Besides the fact I did not use it, it seems the gpu could manage GRID2, otherwise their giveaway would make no sense at all.
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Fox2232:

Intel can deliver whatever dGPU they want. People are not going to buy them for gaming till their drivers improve.
Driver is good, no issues here.
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Fox2232:

Sure they are. Except... Take feature set you can set up in AMD or nVidia driver and then compare it to intel. Intel has like 20% of settings?
It's hard to ignore the fact that Intel's graphics driver "just works" though.... Of course, the iGPU lacks capability.... We won't really see how well Intel's graphics drivers really work until they release something that's actually capable of heavy 3D graphics rendering. Given the limited capability of Intel's iGPU, there's no reason to have any more settings than actually necessary.

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