So it appears my spare 4790 will live yet another year 13 series was a good improvement of 12 series which stopped the disappointing Intel CPU's streak. 14 / 13 refresh should be great as well. I wanted to upgrade to AMD 7000 series after my brother's Ryzen 5950X surpassed all the expectations, but I waited for comparisons with Intel 13 series, especially from you guys, J2C, GN and Der8auer. High TDP and temps prevented impulse buy (5950X was preordered, fortunately), and I was curious about X3D too, and I had no big pressure to upgrade. Der8auer has shown that delidding was an option, but I had no strength to do that at that time. There were significant stability issues in the beginning. Then there was a disgust with only 1 segment having this extra cache. And Gigabyte scandals, then ASUS an all the overheating from overvolting, unreliable, or should I say, perfidiously lying voltage controls and monitoring. Mobo manufacturers multiplying virtual product segments to charge way more than they should despite eg. ASUS putting sophisticated power control and protection chips on their mobos, and not programming / using their features. There was way too much going on with AMD, so I considered Intel again. It appears that if one wants to upgrade now or in the near future, both 13 and 14 Intel series should be great. But if there's no immediate need and one has "kinda good" CPU, then Arrow Lake may be more interesting. This speed race was crazy and desperate on the Intel's side. But they delivered, yet with sacrifices like sacrificing high load power consumption, rising it to unreasonable levels (still a good purchase if you're not rendering / abusing it in other way / getting 7800X3D), that it started reminding of Pentium 4. The first Core, then Core2Duo were insane, as well as the 1st "i" series, then 2000 which can be used even today, 4000 was the next big thing, ..., 8000 was another significant upgrade, ..., (12, 13, 14) - great stuff, but kinda similar in their group. I suspect that only Arrow Lake may be "the next big thing". Yet, when Meteor Lake laptops get released, some people may wonder that they should have bought 12/13/14 instead of waiting.

Ven0m:

So it appears my spare 4790 will live yet another year 13 series was a good improvement of 12 series which stopped the disappointing Intel CPU's streak. 14 / 13 refresh should be great as well. I wanted to upgrade to AMD 7000 series after my brother's Ryzen 5950X surpassed all the expectations, but I waited for comparisons with Intel 13 series, especially from you guys, J2C, GN and Der8auer. High TDP and temps prevented impulse buy (5950X was preordered, fortunately), and I was curious about X3D too, and I had no big pressure to upgrade. Der8auer has shown that delidding was an option, but I had no strength to do that at that time. There were significant stability issues in the beginning. Then there was a disgust with only 1 segment having this extra cache. And Gigabyte scandals, then ASUS an all the overheating from overvolting, unreliable, or should I say, perfidiously lying voltage controls and monitoring. Mobo manufacturers multiplying virtual product segments to charge way more than they should despite eg. ASUS putting sophisticated power control and protection chips on their mobos, and not programming / using their features. There was way too much going on with AMD, so I considered Intel again. It appears that if one wants to upgrade now or in the near future, both 13 and 14 Intel series should be great. But if there's no immediate need and one has "kinda good" CPU, then Arrow Lake may be more interesting. This speed race was crazy and desperate on the Intel's side. But they delivered, yet with sacrifices like sacrificing high load power consumption, rising it to unreasonable levels (still a good purchase if you're not rendering / abusing it in other way / getting 7800X3D). The first Core, then Core2Duo were insane, as well as the 1st "i" series, then 2000 which can be used even today, 4000 was the next big thing, ..., 8000 was another significant upgrade, ..., (12, 13, 14) - great stuff, but kinda similar in their group. I suspect that only Arrow Lake may be "the next big thing". Yet, when Meteor Lake laptops get released, some people may wonder that they should have bought 12/13/14 instead of waiting.

leaks suggest 14th gen is x3d line competition and power lower than 13th gen. I'll see if I need to upgrade, I kinda want dlss3 to do the job when I'm cpu limited instead. I'll see once I have 4070 installed and test it.

the refresh is 14th Gen Meteor Lake is 15th Gen and is 3D cache competitive with markedly lower power & heat. the one big advantage for the refresh is the z790/b660 mobos are excellent and relatively cheap. i have 7900X3D which is a dream, a 5950x which is still great, and a spare 8th gen Intel for remote. my mobo was carefully chosen - i avoided "gaming" mobos and bought a "creator" mobo with better specs for the same money and have had zero issues. if one is inclined to Intel and have been waiting to upgrade, wait for Meteor Lake. i can't say more w/o getting into nda territory

Maybe they're just going to slap the Core Ultra branding on it, give it an extra few hundred MHz, and act like its a new product.

schmidtbag:

Maybe they're just going to slap the Core Ultra branding on it, give it an extra few hundred MHz, and act like its a new product.

no Core Ultra is Meteor Lake

tunejunky:

no Core Ultra is Meteor Lake

I was being somewhat facetious, but at the same time, it wouldn't surprise me if what I said will happen anyway. Intel is already pulling an AMD by gluing dies together, I don't see why they couldn't also pull an AMD by mixing up product names with different generations too.

schmidtbag:

I was being somewhat facetious, but at the same time, it wouldn't surprise me if what I said will happen anyway. Intel is already pulling an AMD by gluing dies together, I don't see why they couldn't also pull an AMD by mixing up product names with different generations too.

they do esp w/ mobile lol @ "gluing"

schmidtbag:

I was being somewhat facetious, but at the same time, it wouldn't surprise me if what I said will happen anyway. Intel is already pulling an AMD by gluing dies together, I don't see why they couldn't also pull an AMD by mixing up product names with different generations too.

Here we where complaining about Intel's shenanigans and then AMD picked up right from the Intel handbook with added flavor they invented some newish one .... Well now is Intel's time to copy amd's shenanigans! Oh how the times change !