Yeah prety much that , i wonder if they still make the kabylake stuff , and if there are idio... i mean people who buy them , since coffelake is a thing(on pappers)

I wasn't aware these CPUs were still in production... It wouldn't surprise me if they're still selling better than their X299 counterparts, simply because they're overall better values.

16nm:

that's why i never grab the latest stuff out,i will wait for new PCI-Express 5.0 and new DDR5 RAM.

Damn I wasn't aware DDR5 was so close to a release date (I just looked it up: planned for 2018). DDR4 sure didn't last long - it'll have been replaced in 4 years. Compare that to DDR3, which lasted 11 years. Seems a little premature to be planning DDR5 considering DDR4 still has issues. But yeah, I think waiting ought to be a good idea, especially for PCIe 5.0 (I personally find 4.0 to be a waste of time, unless you want 10Gbps Ethernet).

schmidtbag:

considering DDR4 still has issues.

What issues are you talking about?

Agent-A01:

What issues are you talking about?

I guess for the most part it isn't that bad anymore, though I don't recall previous versions of DDR having so many problems when they were new. It took 3 years until we managed to see DDR4 modules without abysmal latencies at decent frequencies. Today there are still some stability problems. For the most part they have been fixed, but DDR4 seems so oddly sensitive. I've experimented overclocking every generation of DDR and in each previous generation, but only DDR4 has been sensitive enough to the point that even when trying to slow down the command rate or increase latencies, I get stability issues. If it weren't for XMP, I'd have a frustrating time getting my RAM to run properly. A 200MHz overclock from stock speeds can result in constant failures, whereas in DDR2 or DDR3 I could do at least a 300MHz overclock on budget RAM without a heatsink and it worked just fine.

Agent-A01:

What issues are you talking about?

The memory was not the issue, bios was. Ryzen forvthe most... Only noobs have problems 😛

schmidtbag:

I guess for the most part it isn't that bad anymore, though I don't recall previous versions of DDR having so many problems when they were new. It took 3 years until we managed to see DDR4 modules without abysmal latencies at decent frequencies. Today there are still some stability problems. For the most part they have been fixed, but DDR4 seems so oddly sensitive. I've experimented overclocking every generation of DDR and in each previous generation, but only DDR4 has been sensitive enough to the point that even when trying to slow down the command rate or increase latencies, I get stability issues. If it weren't for XMP, I'd have a frustrating time getting my RAM to run properly. A 200MHz overclock from stock speeds can result in constant failures, whereas in DDR2 or DDR3 I could do at least a 300MHz overclock on budget RAM without a heatsink and it worked just fine.

Eh those issues sound more like early platform issues OR a specific bad kit. I had a first production run crucial balistix 2400 ram that had 'bad' timings. IIIRC like 16-16-16-36. That kit ran 2667 @ C12-12-12-28 with no issues. My current samsung kit is 3200C14 and it will do 3600 and same timings, 3200@C12 etc. Most older gen CPUs can't do that as their IMC is not strong enough. Not to mention that some boards have bad Auto secondary and tertiary timings and also related voltages that affect stability. DDR4 doesn't really have issues, just takes more work to fine tune.

For me the only issue is price. i didn't knew DDR5 was peaking the corner, but it might take some time to see it in actual products. Plus, the early adopter price must be prohibitive so wouldn't hold my breath for them. PCIe 5.0, on the other hand, is always welcome.

Will see PCI-E 4.0 next year, starting with newer chipsets but PCI-E 5.0? not anytime soon, even though specification was recently approved, best guess for PCI-E 5.0 2022 ish.

I think this is a good move on there part. Who is going to buy a over priced CPU ? Intel really is at sixes and sevens right now. The New 8700k is a really good sweat spot but only if it can stay cool

I would be really surprised if we see ddr5 capable stuff anytime soon since, The cost of ddr5 will be prohibitive, especially when those new fabs in china start pumping out dram

@16nm Ahh, the good ol, i will wait stuff. Please enlighten me why a normal gaming desktop would need pcx5, when even pcx3 still doesn't have bandwidth problems. Name 2-3, not just one.. Otherwise, please make a button for the fridge saying "I'll wait for the next one." and look at it every day 🙄

Emille:

I can't believe intels latest cpu is out....the only cpu worth upgrading to right now imo for anyone with an i7 870/2500k/3770k/4770k/4790k/6700k/7700k and there is no supply and and no 8 core version. Stopping selling what already wasn't selling...I want to know when people can finally buy what's in demand. Skylake x and the low supply for coffeelakr have got to be the worst organisef year in intels existence. You've got a 6 core killer that costs the exact same as what I paid for my $6700k....and they woulf be flying off shelves if there was stock....and no one can get them :S

dont remind me for what I payed for 6700k a year after it launched I could of got 8700k, if i waited another 2 years. not that i complaining., none of what said in the article is surprising though. Intel got cold hard slap in the face after all these years from AMD

16nm:

@fry178 If believe rumors PCIe4.0 will not be release, they will skip to PCIe5.0, bigger bandwidth is needed if in future you want better responding GPU's and other hardware. You know marketing in 2017 is playing with people a lot,i think 2018 will be best new technology year. But everybody has own thoughts about what to do and what to buy,now or later,i think now is bad to buy something new.

GPU arnt gona get more responsive by PCIE5.0 less by the time it is released they magically start saturating the current bandwidth 3.0 has. which they dont come close too atm. we have 3.0 and 3.1 usb that most device dont even use all of the bandwidth they provide.

@16nm ...bigger bandwidth is needed if in future you want better responding GPU's and other hardware... and again: NOPE. just because the cards will have more "horsepower" does NOT mean we need more bandwidth. check which was the first Nv consumer card that had a 256bit bus when was that? we still have 256bit how many generations and years later? EVERYTHING improves, eg. Nv improved a lot including getting a better compression algorithm, which in turn needs less bandwidth. in 1979 it took 7L-V8 to get about 220HP, i can now get a vw golf do 300HP out of a 2.0L 4cyl while it weighs about 1/3 less..