Intel DG1 Xe graphics card is Alive
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cryohellinc
Hope it works out well. We really DO need a 3rd competitor on the market.
Kaarme
Yeah, as long as Intel eats from Nvidia's oversized piece of cake, not AMD's, as AMD can't afford to lose much market share. If AMD has to quit the GPU market, I'd have rather preferred Intel not entering it at all. But time will tell.
cryohellinc
AMD is not an angel either. This has to be a competitive market. Currently Nvidia hold the whole upper bracket - not a big fan of this.
Even if there will be more products available in the lowe to medium bracket, Nvidia will have to stay competitive, whihc in result will push the prices down.
I highly doubt that Intel can score all brackets at same time, my assumption is that they will focus on budget oriented products - medium/lower bracket at start. This is the most lucrative market, and Nvidia understands that.
Kaarme
I'm only talking about this from a bird's eye view. AMD should retain its market share by releasing competitive products. If they can't do that, they are as good as gone anyway, like almost happened to them with CPUs before Ryzen. So, when I say Intel should claim from Nvidia's portion, it means AMD's next generation(s) should be so good they can't be pushed out of the market. The problem doesn't lie there, it lies with Nvidia's 80% share. It affects the market all by its own weight, without even being related to the performance of the products (although there were no problems there). Many less savvy people simply bought Nvidia because everybody else has Nvidia. Even many shops kept stocking mainly Nvidia because most customers would ask for Nvidia. The salesclerks would naturally recommend Nvidia if that's what they could immediately sell. This created its own self-feeding vicious circle. I suppose it's partially due to AMD's lacking marketing funds, not only their less than thrilling products, compared to Nvidia's.
alanm
Yep, its got a lot to do with the trickle-down effect. Nvidias strateg involves using higher prices in influencing marketing perception that their cards are 'higher end' or the 'best'. Thats why they are always fanatical about ensuring they have the top performing card with no competition (ie, 2080ti). This will trickle-down to where even their mid and lower end cards benefit from this market perception, even if not justified (ie, RX 570 easily beat anything by Nvidia in that price bracket, yet buyers still went Nvidia).
I really hope Intel and AMD can break this by bringing out their own high end performers to take on the Ti cards and shatter Nvidias hold on this perception.
cryohellinc
Great points. AMD marketing is definitelly lacking, as not only they lack funds in comparison to Nvidia, they also messed up several times.
Example - Freesync. AMD has pioneered the tech, but look at it now, practically anywhere you see is "Nvidia Gsync Compatible Monitor" e.t.c.
That is a big loss for AMD, as not only they have given competition a solid tap into their tech, but as well sort-of pushed themselves out of it.
Silva
Intel and their promises....ah ah ah!
Rich_Guy
Don't you mean a 2nd, as we only have Nvidia, we have done since AMD pulled out of it after their Furys.
schmidtbag
If Intel can release a reasonably priced GPU that can handle 4K@60FPS (with AA off) I'll most likely buy it. I only have a major gripe with Intel's CPU division; everything else about them I actually like or don't have a problem with.
Intel has traditionally been very good with Linux compatibility so I'm confident they'll do a good job there.
If Intel releases something insufficient, I guess I'm going to wait another couple years until AMD catches up, because I'm not buying Nvidia for myself (that doesn't prevent me from recommending them to others).
spine
Matrox never went anywhere btw guys 😉
Segamon
Glad to see many gamers are rooting for intel if anything to give nvidia's "reign of terror" a long due break and maybe put an end to it altogether.
I my opinion the highest gaming gpu should not go beyond 600$, i hope a healthy competition will make that happen.
Undying
Its not only nvidia. AMD have some competitive pruducts and hopefuly it will continue to fight nvidia and intel. If i recall you had Vega64 as well.
H83
Some performance numbers would be appreciated...
Rich_Guy
I did yeah, but Vega was primarily a compute etc... card, that you could also game on.
Their last PC gaming card, was the Fury, Polaris, was for the VR market, Vega, for the Compute etc..., and LAVI, was designed for the consoles.
m4dn355
Xe is waiting for real world apps, which are not yet present.
vbetts
Moderator
Honestly pretty excited for this. Intel definitely has the capital to make something great, with some key names in their pocket to help.
Astyanax
one hopes this means a paradigm shift in how they handle driver support.
EspHack
exciting times ahead indeed, will intel's infinite budget allow them to slap nvidia back to the fermi era? hopefully they ignore the mid-low end market so AMD can get their stuff together
RED.Misfit
You're gonna be disappointed, because they are not aiming at the high end of the market at the very beginning.
Hell we still don't know if there will be a gamer GPU in 2020. It might just be the data center product at this stage. I heard about low power Xe GPU only as of now, of course Intel will try to keep it secret as long as it can.
The funny thing is that, if they achieve the gamer GPU next year as a full lineup (which i don't believe at all) we could see Ampere vs RDNA2 vs Intel Xe in the same year.
With Ampere releasing first in Q1 or 2 (that's the current rumor at least), followed by RDNA somewhere in the Q3 and Intel Xe probably in the Q4. Anyway, without accounting any release date it's gonna be a year full of GPU.
kakiharaFRS
yeah that's worrying me, that they don't even bother with a new gpu un 2020, too late to buy a 2080ti now, that kind of buy are only "worth" it day1
