Intel Core i7-8709G with Vega M Graphics

#5503631

Silva

2017-12-22 16:10

All I have to say is: I didn't know I'd live long enough to see this.

#5503650

Denial

2017-12-22 17:05

Is it possible this for an Apple product? I can't watch the video at work but I know Apple is using Vega and Intel, it would make sense for them to want this and they'd definitely have the $$ to do it.

#5503685

rl66

2017-12-22 18:52

Silva:

All I have to say is: I didn't know I'd live long enough to see this.

Years ago the best chipset for AMD were from NVidia... so i can imagine.

#5503707

Fender178

2017-12-22 20:02

Not bad Intel not bad at all. Maybe in a couple of generations they could compete with Nvidia in the Laptop GPU market but the way things are now Nvidia is still the king considering they dropped the m and switched to using watered desktop GPUs which are pretty close in power to the actual Desktop card with the pascal cards.

#5503708

Malmoth

2017-12-22 20:05

I smell Koduri effect.

#5503709

WareTernal

2017-12-22 20:09

Denial:

Is it possible this for an Apple product? I can't watch the video at work but I know Apple is using Vega and Intel, it would make sense for them to want this and they'd definitely have the $$ to do it.

Apple may use it, but we saw this board last month and it does look a bit like a NUC board. For example, the little SATA power connectors next to the 2 SATA ports are used on NUCs for internal 2.5" drives.

sammarbella:

AMD needs a HUGE amount of power (and make a lot more heat) than Nvidia competition to fall short in performance.

Seems like a strange choice but in a way it makes sense. The vertical mounted SODIMMS say NUC, not notebook. NUC boards are smaller than notebooks, so the single package makes sense. Speculation is that this is for a 100 watt NUC to succeed the 45 watt Skulltrail NUC. There is speculation that the GPU would use about 65 watts, which is only half of the desktop Vega 56 on it's low power BIOS. If it's all true, the GPU is projected to perform closer to 1060 than 1050Ti. Not a bad deal if it works. At 100 watts I expect this to be a bit taller than current NUCs to make room for a larger heatsink. I hope it's better than the Skulltrail NUC, which had heat and stability issues.

#5503719

m4dn355

2017-12-22 20:55

AMD inside

#5503751

GroinShooter

2017-12-22 22:33

Huh nice to see Intel and AMD team up in such a manner 🙂

#5503775

schmidtbag

2017-12-23 00:26

I'm pretty sure this isn't literally an IGP - to my recollection, Intel's IGP still exists too, but, I wonder if only the Vega M is used by default.

#5503792

Elder III

2017-12-23 02:46

I want to get my mitts on one of these, but I'll settle for a nice set of benchmarks from Hilbert instead. 🤓

#5503833

kruno

2017-12-23 06:51

schmidtbag:

I'm pretty sure this isn't literally an IGP - to my recollection, Intel's IGP still exists too, but, I wonder if only the Vega M is used by default.

Yes ,Intel's IGP is still there, AMD's graphic chip is connected to CPU with glue(hehehe:):););)) aka Intel's EMIB ,if memory serves me well it has throughput of PCIEx8 3.0, most likely that Intel's IGP is default, it consumes less power by virtue of being simpler and smaller and it is baked with CPU on same die , EMIB can brake or otherwise malfunction so it would make more sense to make Intel's IGP default. Basically AMD's VEGA M acts like discrete GPU.

#5503885

Evildead666

2017-12-23 12:28

Ziggymac:

So is this what Intel/AMD have come up with to take on Nvidia Laptop GPU's? If so, can only be a good thing, just as in the desktop space, Nvidia dominates the laptop market. ..although I can't see these first generation parts beating out the top end 1070/1080 mobile chips TBH.

sammarbella:

...or the second, or the third... 5-10 years to reach current competitor performance maybe? Even on discrete GPU cards AMD needs a HUGE amount of power (and make a lot more heat) than Nvidia competition to fall short in performance. Now the mandatory weaker integrated AMD GPU chip into this CPU (underclocked, low temp) will need "some" gens to catch current Nvidia laptop GPUs.

This isn't comparable to the MXM cards. How many watts are the 1070/1080 Mobile again ? The same as this entire CPU+GPU, if not more ? 🙂 How many Nvidia products are in Apple products ? This isn't the same market as the huge Nvidia MXM chips, so it doesn't need to compete against them. Also, Vega is pretty power efficient in the 1200-1400MHz range, but thats not why you are here, is it ? 😉

#5503922

Warrax

2017-12-23 15:56

I expect these CPUs to cost more than Broadwell because of integrated HBM2 memory alone. If that's the case...I don't expect them to be popular.

#5503973

Fender178

2017-12-23 20:00

Man makes me wonder if Intel will make ultrabook and Laptop cpus with the AMD vega IGPU because to me that platform would benefit from that vs a desktop CPU because inside of laptops that only have an igpu instead of a dedicated card would benefit from something like this because the user could use it for some light gaming on the side and having a good IGPU would help with video editing as well. Also I can see this being used very well in Apple Macbook pros if users still purchase those that is. Also this could benefit the desktop user who cannot afford a dedicated GPU right away if the IGPU performance is better than a 1050/1050ti/1060 3GB and Rx 470/480/570/580 from AMD since those cards are the mid ranged cards from those companies. Then the User could game on the IGPU until they could save up for one of the Vega cards from AMD or a 1070 ti/1080 or 1080 ti from Nvidia.

#5504516

Evildead666

2017-12-26 10:20

sammarbella:

Yes this product (as show: desktop motherboard) will not compete against laptop MXM.They better don't try to use it in a possible "gamer laptop" it will be another disaster for AMD reputation among gamers. Power efficiency? Compared to what? Intel current iGPUs? 🙄 I think Intel made a good deal: externalize all iGPU related dev and hire the ex-exec in charge of AMD GPUs to handle the whole thing (MCM design).Intel own iGPUs were only usable in office tasks.

Yes, this is no where near as power efficient as an Intel iGPU, I fully agree, but its a LOT better than an Intel CPU with an Nvidia MXM. Also, Apple won't be touching anything Nvidia any time soon... I really beleive this is for Apple, and most probably, Only Apple. Probably their next MacBook Pro's. Edit : They might stick it into a Gaming NUC though. Thats possible, with an external PSU Brick. Yes, intels iGPU's are terrible at gaming. Really terrible. 🙂 Intel made a seriously good deal, getting Raja, but he has a lot of work to do, even though the bar is set very very low 😉 (Intel's GPU vs the rest of the world).

#5508267

Stormyandcold

2018-01-07 20:58

There are benefits to having an intel+mxm combo like separate cooling, power, overclocking as well as upgradability/replacement, similar to the benefits with desktops. Also, since the GTX980 was made available for laptops, Nvidia's mobile gpus actually offer similar performance to their desktop counterparts and no longer have the "m" (for mobile part). Products like the i7 8709G will entirely depend on price and I don't think it's going to be cheap. However, considering Nvidia's laptop offerings are quite expensive, then, this is much needed competition.

#5508275

kruno

2018-01-07 21:57

Stormyandcold:

There are benefits to having an intel+mxm combo like separate cooling, power, overclocking as well as upgradability/replacement, similar to the benefits with desktops. Also, since the GTX980 was made available for laptops, Nvidia's mobile gpus actually offer similar performance to their desktop counterparts and no longer have the "m" (for mobile part). Products like the i7 8709G will entirely depend on price and I don't think it's going to be cheap. However, considering Nvidia's laptop offerings are quite expensive, then, this is much needed competition.

One word consumption ,yes separate gpu is faster but it consume more power then integrated gpu. Let's not kid ourselves this is designed for specific Intel's customer and that is Apple , think thin 🙂