honestly I thought that taking more care about package heat propagation would be one of Intel's stopgap measures after Ryzen's launch. it seemed only natural given how easy these chips can be OC ed

Yeah, I don't know why they don't improve that heat transfer from CPU chip to IHS - how much more expensive would it really be for them to end up with heat transfer like I have with liquid metal delid, I can't imagine it costing them that much more per unit, and any increase in production cost would likely be offset by increased sales won away from AMD Ryzen. Such a move would also be good PR for Intel - brand loyalty & feel good factor would increase.

Yeah, I don't know why they don't improve that heat transfer from CPU chip to IHS - how much more expensive would it really be for them to end up with heat transfer like I have with liquid metal delid, I can't imagine it costing them that much more per unit, and any increase in production cost would likely be offset by increased sales won away from AMD Ryzen. Such a move would also be good PR for Intel - brand loyalty & feel good factor would increase.

Probably because they want do it for next or next-next refresh, increase stock clocks, say it's an "ipc gain" and call it a day :P

Probably because they want do it for next or next-next refresh, increase stock clocks, say it's an "ipc gain" and call it a day :P

Ha, Intel gotta milk!

Meh, im keeping my trusty i5, wake me up when i can get 8 cores for cheap.

Apparently you have been asleep for awhile. Ryzen.

Even if Ryzen wasn't available I'd steer clear of this one; too few cores for the platform in 2017 and those temps are awful (overclocked). I'm not sure who the market really is for this one. I think that those buying this enthusiast level platform would want/need more cores and for someone looking for a more "normal" high end gaming machine, why not get a 7700k (or even 6700k)? I'm just going to drool over here in the corner while waiting for Threadripper benchmarks. 😉

I wish I had money for the cookies.

I still wouldn't but Ryzen for gaming, maybe in the future when those cores are used but at that point the same CPUs will be cheaper and there will be newer chips.

Not sure why, performs just fine. By that, i mean, so fast, who cares.

Not sure why, performs just fine. By that, i mean, so fast, who cares.

Well i think the enthusiast crowd isn't looking for 'just fine'. 🤓

Agree Because its slower than older intel stuff?...Why build a new gaming computer thats slower?

This argument is a horribly veiled attempt to be purposefully dense, at least, I hope it was. I hope you don't really hold those opinions without having thought on them a moment. When most people build a computer, it's for a number of reasons. Most of us, primary purpose, it's going to be for gaming, but that's just the primary. Most of us have jobs, me personally, sometimes I like to be able to set up 2,3,4,5 VMs and test something. Maybe something I'm working on for work that I need a test environment for. Maybe it's someone else who does rendering, or video editing occasionally. Maybe it's just a gamer who likes to stream to twitch to 5 viewers every night. One person might like distributed computing platforms. There's hundreds of things you can do with a computer that need more CPU, this isn't some niche concept. My point is, some people can understand the tradeoffs here. And, for some people, losing 5-10% on performance, maybe, sometimes, but still having good performance overall is worth the tradeoff when you consider that they may be able to do something else an Intel literally couldn't do, or if it does, does it minutes or hours more slowly. It's not a hard concept. If I were to take the same "purposefully dense" tact I could ask why on Earth you'd ever buy a platform that is obsolete the day you got it; you'll never get another processor to put in it. Doesn't make much sense. But I wouldn't do that, because I understand the tradeoffs being considered.