I'm beyond having a comment that's presentable here.

And apparently not only Google...

Wow, now even smartphone users are affected by the trade war and that is plenty of people, though thankfully current Huawei owners do not notice much. I wonder how long people will accept the tolls and all if prices start to go up and real bankrupties start to occur? Countries all over the world need to find reliable and long term trade partners soon or else they start to run into debt. Either you do that or build vastly improved domestic economy. So how are future Huawei phones affected exactly? Can users download apps from Play Store anymore? Google apps are easily replacable in the end, like Chrome, Maps, etc; but without any updates coming from Google does this simply mean Huawei needs their own distribution channel to update Play Store or any apps (Play Store is an app in itself)? Do they need to wait longer before they get their hands on latest Android builds, when Google offers the files for others way sooner?

I don't think it is only related to the USA tariffs on Chinese products. Huawei has already faced decisions of many governments that rejected them from any government systems. The tariffs probably only further this point, so the partners abandon the ship before they take a large hit. As for smartphones, they will probably still run android, but the play store will be missing. I understand that Chinese have their replacement store, but it will obviously be inferior to the official store. It's going to be interesting to see what Huawei does with this.

You can count on Google to know whats right for you.

Also you CAN live without google... (i am banned from their service since years) If you need easy smartphone you have still Apple (but i don't need smartphone 🙂 an highly inpact protected and waterproof regular phone is enough) And if you still believe in google you have other brand, huawei isn't at it's 1st issue with security VLC's creator can tel a lot about it.

WhiteLightning:

You can count on Google to know whats right for you.

ironic i hope 🙂 lol

Sorry people, this is clearly NOT about security but about politics. As such I won't comment on the motivation behind this ban. The only effect is, that android probably is done if it's being skipped in China (and I can imagine that soon there will be a Chinese android alltogether), but now what about the rest of the world? Everybody's screwed because, let's face it, if you got a Huawei device you're bound to be insecure in the future due to the lack of updates. In reality, the decision of the companies (yeah right, of the POTUS) made the tech environment a lot less secure because of denying future security updates. And it's forcing a decision onto people way outside of either China or the US. So what are the optinos? Live without a play store? Like, deliberately being half offline? Or install potentiall insecure APKs from other sources because google doesn't give you any more updates for the sake of "security"? Switch to iOS? Yeah right, thanks for paying twice as much (there is no cheap iphone at all) just to have your security in the hands of just another US company? Not use a smartphone anymore? Not use apps anymore? What's my fellow guru's opinion on what to do now with the Huawei phone I just got two months ago (P20)? All in all it just makes me puke... security is just a word since obviously, nobody cares about it for the sake of the customer, and I am seeing myself running out of options.

fantaskarsef:

What's my fellow guru's opinion on what to do now with the Huawei phone I just got two months ago (P20)?

http://www.quickmeme.com/img/99/9984e215e188ff9a291a7cdcef5febf5ed0478406b1eb66cbb7628207e842462.jpg

WhiteLightning:

http://www.quickmeme.com/img/99/9984e215e188ff9a291a7cdcef5febf5ed0478406b1eb66cbb7628207e842462.jpg

hehe get a like for the meme, but sadly I'd rather do that with other stuff than a smartphone. I'd be more likely to aim it at the people responsible for the issues I personally am facing because of that.

I mean, at this point, I could as well stick with China, at least I'd have an easier time visiting Beijing with a Huawei smartphone than Washington D.C. when owning an Apple device.

Im at this very moment looking for a new Android phone (coming from a heavily overdue iPhone 6S) and the P30 Pro was on my potential list. Now I wonder if similar things could happen to OneNote or Xioami. Otherwise Samsung and Nokia seem to be my safe bets for now..

TanarPeti:

As a former Samsung, and a now happy owner of a P20 Pro, I can only say one thing: frack Google...

This isn't exactly Googles choice. I'm sure they would be happy to work with anyone making phones, since they get money. Trump banned any trade with Huawei specifically, so US companies really don't have a choice in the matter.

Personally, I'd rather have a democracy spy on me than a communism. They are both doing the spying, nonetheless. Anyone who thinks Huawei isn't the Chinese government's tool is naive beyond naivety. It's simply impossible to run a significant company there without having ties to the government. It's a totalitarian country with deep corruption and impaired human rights. Just read about their social credit system to realise what kind of a dystopia it's trying to become. So, yeah, I've never had a Chinese phone or a laptop. I could sniff problems like this appearing years ago. Good luck relying on Chinese app stores. Google can't keep malware out of their Play Store, Chinese companies will have an entirely different definition of what is malware and what is not. In Western countries there's a huge outcry when a government tries to require backdoors in software, in China it would be a crime to protest against them.

Kaarme:

Personally, I'd rather have a democracy spy on me than a communism. They are both doing the spying, nonetheless. Anyone who thinks Huawei isn't the Chinese government's tool is naive beyond naivety. It's simply impossible to run a significant company there without having ties to the government. It's a totalitarian country with deep corruption and impaired human rights. Just read about their social credit system to realise what kind of a dystopia it's trying to become. So, yeah, I've never had a Chinese phone or a laptop. I could sniff problems like this appearing years ago. Good luck relying on Chinese app stores. Google can't keep malware out of their Play Store, Chinese companies will have an entirely different definition of what is malware and what is not. In Western countries there's a huge outcry when a government tries to require backdoors in software, in China it would be a crime to protest against them.

Sorry, but nothing you said does only belong to China besides it's social credit rating. At least you can see it, in Western "democracies" it's just your bank account. But it's funny how that's a matter of POV, like you said.

Clawedge:

If I am not mistaken, they can still use Android Cos it's open source. Or maybe one if the variationsof the os?

yes the free variant is AOSP

This whole situation is awkward.

SmootyPoody:

So they cant use Android at all in coming devices? Then what? Its not like there are any real competitors to android that you can use. So will they just shut down business?

They will be not certified by Google, so basically Google Play Services are a no go. The sad part is this isn't doesn't even seem like a decision from Google. Huawei definitely in the past has made some good strides in the Android world.

iirc there is an open source Rom depository that works like the play store on android, i used to have it on my old rooted phone. Quite a lot of apps on there, but a lot of popular apps are missing. VLC was there at least. F-Droid, thats it. edit : one solution, at least

@realDonaldTrump stop being childish and grow-up. My 7yrs old cousin is more wise than you.