From Nvidia specs, the 3090 consume 9.3% more than the 3080 (350W against 320W), despite 16-20% more cores to provide for, and more than twice the GDDR6X ram amount... Look no further, the card is bound by power. Meaning a 3080-ti with less GDDR6X to provide for (20Gb instead of 24Gb) would have more power available for the cores, less heat to dissipate, and will deliver better performance on a given consumption.

XenthorX:

From Nvidia specs, the 3090 consume 9.3% more than the 3080 (350W against 320W), despite 16-20% more cores to provide for, and more than twice the GDDR6X ram amount... Look no further, the card is bound by power. Meaning a 3080-ti with less GDDR6X to provide for (20Gb instead of 24Gb) would have more power available for the cores and will deliver better performance on a given consumption.

I've read today some custom 3090's will have 410w tdp. Thats just too high.

TheSissyOfFremont:

What? I didn't say I was downsampling or upscaling - you did. I'm running the game exactly as I said I was - it's you who was confused, not me.

I said dlss is shit. You said it is fantastic, basing it on the fact that you are using dxr... aka downsampling... not dlss, aka upscaling. Get your terms straight.

XenthorX:

From Nvidia specs, the 3090 consume 9.3% more than the 3080 (350W against 320W), despite 16-20% more cores to provide for, and more than twice the GDDR6X ram amount... Look no further, the card is bound by power. Meaning a 3080-ti with less GDDR6X to provide for (20Gb instead of 24Gb) would have more power available for the cores, less heat to dissipate, and will deliver better performance on a given consumption.

I agree. Higher power AIB cards should confirm.

XenthorX:

From Nvidia specs, the 3090 consume 9.3% more than the 3080 (350W against 320W), despite 16-20% more cores to provide for, and more than twice the GDDR6X ram amount... Look no further, the card is bound by power. Meaning a 3080-ti with less GDDR6X to provide for (20Gb instead of 24Gb) would have more power available for the cores, less heat to dissipate, and will deliver better performance on a given consumption.

Just need to get a proper custom pcb 3090, which has much more available power... like the strix, or even better kingpin.

Undying:

I've read today some custom 3090's will have 410w tdp. Thats just too high.

Emtek's ? https://www.dsogaming.com/news/emteks-custom-design-rtx-3090-turbo-jet-gpu-has-a-max-tdp-rating-of-over-410-watts/ That totally makes sense.

Am still waiting for AMD the silence and lack of any leaks speaks volumes am hoping a slam dunk is on its way the new CPUs seems to be living up to the Hype from what has been leaked so I will sit tight

Looks like the RTX 3090 has been 2020'd. What a piss poor performance.

XenthorX:

Basically it would mean that if you're not overclocking the 3090, you could have exactly the same performance buying a custom factory overclocked 3080 costing 600$ less. Lower tier 3090, the worst deal ever ? Really wondering when the 1000-1200$ 3080-ti (naming has been confirmed by leaked Gigabyte afterall) are gonna be released/Announced. When is the next Nvidia event/conference?

What??? You just said yourself that it may be possible to get to 3090 level performance by just overclocking a 3080, because it is so close to it.... so why do you then ask for a 3080Ti? How is that going to slot in between a 3080 and 3090 if there is only 10-20% difference in speed between them? By a 5%-10% difference over 3080? Surely then as you said it is within overclocking reach. Only thing a 3080Ti could possibly be would be a 3080 with more VRAM. There is not enough space between 3080 and 3090 for anything else to make sense.

geogan:

What??? You just said yourself that it may be possible to get to 3090 level performance by just overclocking a 3080, because it is so close to it.... so why do you then ask for a 3080Ti? How is that going to slot in between a 3080 and 3090 if there is only 10-20% difference in speed between them? By a 5%-10% difference over 3080? Surely then as you said it is within overclocking reach. Only thing a 3080Ti could possibly be would be a 3080 with more VRAM. There is not enough space between 3080 and 3090 for anything else to make sense.

Could be a 3090 with less VRAM lol but yeah idk how you slot a Ti in this generation and make it look good. Maybe refresh the series on TSMC 7nm next year or something. It's definitely possible they come out with a 16GB Ti type card using the 2GB modules but I just feel like it's going to be a very underwhelming product. The price couldn't be much higher than a 3080 and most people aren't going to care about it.

XenthorX:

The change in SKU naming to consumer product naming is indeed intriguing. With 102 usually referring to higher tier ships Ti, Titan and such, and 104 referring to -80 and below. Alongside the push in power consumption, and therefore limited overclocking headroom left for 2xPci-e // 380W cards. @Denial In Jen-Hsun Huang own words: "competition set the price" 33:28 [youtube=Xn1EsFe7snQ]

Jensen paid 30 million dollars to get his name on the Stanford Engineering building 😕 Looks like he has been well able to splash the cash for a long time.

geogan:

Jensen paid 30 million dollars to get his name on the Stanford Engineering building 😕 Looks like he has been well able to splash the cash for a long time.

Yeah at some point someone got to pay the bills 😉 /s

geogan:

What??? You just said yourself that it may be possible to get to 3090 level performance by just overclocking a 3080, because it is so close to it.... so why do you then ask for a 3080Ti? How is that going to slot in between a 3080 and 3090 if there is only 10-20% difference in speed between them? By a 5%-10% difference over 3080? Surely then as you said it is within overclocking reach. Only thing a 3080Ti could possibly be would be a 3080 with more VRAM. There is not enough space between 3080 and 3090 for anything else to make sense.

The margin is narrow, but Nvidia won't let the whole 700-1500$ empty. There'll be a 3080-ti, but to make it relevant is gonna be a challenge for sure. They're gonna have to lower the VRam significantly and spend all the recovered power consumption to the cores which would need higher frequencies out of the box. 20% less Vram (24Gb -> 20Gb), 10% less cores (10496 -> 9600 Cuda cores), 15% higher frequencies on cores (1700->1900Mhz boost) , you got to be in 3090 performance territory, or even beyond, at a fraction of the cost.

DeskStar:

All I can say is I can not understand why people bought a 10gb card today!?! It is already obsolete even at 1080 in some games.

Really? You came into a thread that if the leaked benchmarks are true show that 10gb is more then enough, to post that? Are you blind or a troll?

So the 3090 is basically a Titan with a different name?... I also think that Nvidia is probably going to release a 3080ti with the difference being half the RAM of the 3090 and it will probably cost between 1000 and 1200€.

angelgraves13:

Rumors of 3090 Ti/Super are buzzing. They'll be announced after Big Navi.

There's only 2 SM's left to enable.. it would be like 3% faster than a 3090 lol.

The scenario as I see it: 3090 has ~120% of the shaders a 3080 has, but more than double the price. 20% more shaders don't even translate to 20% more performance, more like 10% at best. VRAM isn't what you buy "the biggest gaming card" for imho, So it's a crap buy. People buying a 3090 don't want to keep it until it meets the end of it's usefulness, probably even a high percentage of people that upgrade with every gen. They're getting scalped by 10% gains for more than double the money. If they release a 3080Ti for what... another +10% performance card for still double the price of a 3080, >1200$? That's still a crap buy. Sure they will let the marketing do the job and sell it with "game XYZ runs with 4K RTX 60fps!" but it's still a bad buy unless you already have a 4K monitor running at home. Even the best game can't sell that I'm afraid... I don't know, I'm not really tempted to move at all right now, since you can't get a 3080, rumors of higher VRAM 3080s and a 3080Ti are there... I personally, very subjectively, have a hard time seeing how I need to make a purchase right now. Might change a few months down the road with the release of more games incorporating ray tracing with good and ample implementation, but... I only have the feeling that during Turing and Ampere, the tactic is deliberately shake up the own lineup to have customers do premature purchases. Won't jump on that this time.

They might make a 3090Ti with 48 gigs of Vram... For those that love Epeen.

DeskStar:

Is not more than enough... Can you read guy, or are you blind? 10Gb is not enough today.... It is called an opinion.

Some folks stand on the side of vram will never run no matter how much your card has, not worth arguing about IMO, let them have their opinions /experiences.

Those benchmarks are what I would have expected tbh. I mean let's be honest, even the Titan RTX wasn't worthy back then, because the price difference towards the flagship-cards was far too high for just a few more percentages improvements. I am not shocked.