I change driver when reports of stability and performance are good enough. So many problem drivers are coming out but doing this keeps me sane.

Khronikos:

It would be great if someone from Nvidia could help me understand how a game this big does not have a Fullscreen exclusive mode for Win 7 users. There has to be some kind of major issues going on or people are incompetent.

I think Nvidia works according to priorities. MS ended support for 7 and pretty sure Nvidia doesnt want to spend much if any time on it. W10 will always come first. W7 maybe if they have a slow day.

Khronikos:

It would be great if someone from Nvidia could help me understand how a game this big does not have a Fullscreen exclusive mode for Win 7 users. There has to be some kind of major issues going on or people are incompetent.

DirectX 12 uses flip style sync, windows 7 doesn't have directflip period and only supports independent flip for 9ex. Legacy swap chain models are just deterministically slower for DX12.

alanm:

I think Nvidia works according to priorities. MS ended support for 7 and pretty sure Nvidia doesnt want to spend much if any time on it. W10 will always come first. W7 maybe if they have a slow day.

Priorities yes, but don't assume anything about their 7 support, 1/4 of users is still a big enough group of people that driver fixes should be qualified based on the amount of users reporting an issue.

Your winning is ridiculous. With DX11 they were limited on all areas, Win7 old crap. You can grab W10 for FREE and you still complain. Take this kid out of here!

pstlr78:

Compared to 441.20 I observed severe fps drop in 3DMark with these drivers. More specifically, in any 3DM benchmark, every 15-20 seconds the fps dropped materially for a few seconds and then came back to normal. The end score was about 30% lower than the one I usually got for years... It did not happen once; I installed, re-installed 3DM and/or the drivers using DDU etc. to repeat the issue. I am not sure if this relates to a specific incompatibility between 3DM and these 442.59 drivers or to a general issue with these drivers (or the 442 branch). What I personally know, is that I cannot trust these drivers even if they only (?) affect 3DMark. This is not a good sign to the end-user anyway, unless something is close to perfection so that one can rely on. I reverted back to 441.20 and everything looks smooth again.

Test with games you will be playing otherwise you have no idea how they really perform.

Windows 8 would have been a nice go-between for many of windows 10's flip techniques and improvements, then they went and made 12on7 a thing.

@Khronikos stating that 10 need patches/updates every week, has tons of issues/bugs, is the same ignorant stuff you say others are doing. and no, its not just dx12 thats missing. how about setting up 7 for me with a ryzen 3xxx cpu, a m2 nvme as os drive, and using a stock 7 iso/installer. without modding/adding files (as in doing anything to the installer iso) you cant even install 7/get it to run properly. not even talking about most of the needed drivers not available below 10. i hated 10 first (looks like a 30y old GUI), but after switching to a 3600 i was basically "forced" to switch to 10 (so i wont suffer perf loss/stability issues because of using 7), and once i tweaked it to look/feel like 7, im happy with it. just the fact that i can install from usb3 in less than 5 min (given, only need to do it once) is a nice improvement over 7, but i also have zero issues like bsods or (noticeable) bugs, everything performs as expected (hw/sw), so why would i want to stay on 7?

fry178:

stating that 10 need patches/updates every week, has tons of issues/bugs, is the same ignorant stuff you say others are doing.

I have numerous discord contacts who have experienced the recent reduced performance and bootloop issues from the recent cumulative and security updates. It is a fact that microsoft doesn't test these adequately, the QA is done on VM's when in the past thousands of different pc's were used in the lap to vary the deployment base as much as possible.

yet, i play R6 with a group of +50 ppl almost all running 10 on different desktops/laptops, without any of those issues. so unless we can scale this to larger groups of +1000, arguing that its "proof" of something, is mute.

fry178:

yet, i play R6 with a group of +50 ppl almost all running 10 on different desktops/laptops,

all it takes is one stray bit of ancient software to kill a computer following a windows update. like all those people who have aisuite and aisuite 2 installed still. though according to your line of thinking, Samsungs Nvme 3.0 driver wasn't bsodding RS5 either (it was), and microsofts sha2 updates for 7 weren't crashing pc's at boot (they were, asus uefi mainboards in particular). I've seen Realtek audio drivers break Nvidia SLI (code## no resources error) [URL='https://www.hwinfo.com/forum/threads/hwinfo64-hanging-freezing-windows-10-1803.4981/']And Hwinfo, HWmon, Aida64, etc locking up pc's because of a Windows change (1803) [/URL] Your 50+ people are as much noise in the statistics as mine are who have the issues.